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Louis CK On Corporate America

Hits: 7431 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: klaxor
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jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2492 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:42:38 PM
yeah, sorry about that I got caught up in some urgent work...

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:09:08 PM
I don't care about arguing here anymore.

Well that's lame.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2492 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:46:39 AM
I don't care about arguing here anymore. For what it's worth, I like windows 7 and 8

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:10:55 AM
ability to have multiple windows open

Windows 8 is... weird. You still have the option to open the desktop and interact with the system the same was as Windows 7 (mostly) but they are trying to push everything through the Metro interface. I have these gripes:

1. There is not a good distiction made between Apps and Programs;
2. Programs opening in Metro switch to the Desktop first, and then open;
3. You should be able to turn Metro off and use your computer as a legacy desktop;
4. The desktop "loses" the staple start button. Technically, it's still there because you can start typing and it will search for you, but I don't like it. You need to hack the registry to force it to show up...

That all being said, I've had the opportunity to test Windows 8 RT on the Surface. Windows 8 works very well with touchscreen interfaces.

Mouse... not so much.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:07:10 AM
Xbox 360 has had the Metro interface for quite a while now

It does; Microsoft's intention was to create a truely cross-platform interface. Their idea is that a user should be able to interact with the same interface regardless of the device they are operating. I'm torn on the idea.

create dynamic tiles

Live tiles is a very cool idea - one of the best they've had in awhile. They work excellently on Windows Phone.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:52:33 AM
The funny thing is, it looks like the Xbox 360 has had the Metro interface for quite a while now. I didn't mind the change. Don't know what it's like to have as a daily workspace but if it allows people to create dynamic tiles with the items they typically use on a daily basis, seems like a good idea. I DO think them taking away the ability to have multiple windows open would definitely be a deal breaker for me because comparing two apps and dragging and dropping between windows and applications are crucial to my workflow I could not function without. I hear they allow a small view of a second window but that wouldn't help.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:53:50 AM
It's not for the name, it's for the quality and reliability.

This I actually agree with. One of the big reasons Apple devices cost so much is Apple's insistence on manufacturing their own devices (versus Microsoft's 3rd party hardware system). From my experience, Apple devices benefit from excellent QC and high-grade components. Windows suffers at the hands of the 3rd party hardware manufacturers.

I was actually happy to see the Metro interface with Windows 8

Don't get your hopes up - Windows 8 will be the same as Vista or ME. Microsoft has a cycle where they release an OS, let the public test it, fix it, and then rerelease it as a new OS in 3-5 years. The rereleases are always very well designed though.

ME -> XP
Vista -> 7
8 -> 9?

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:45:05 AM
"Any brand of laptop is half the cost of a Mac Book, for the exact same specs. You are paying 100% more for their name alone. As for Microsoft V.S. Apple, they both stole their original ideas from Xerox, and Apple hasn't stopped stealing ideas since."

Sigh. do we really have to argue the same old BS over and over? If you had ever actually used a mac for a decent length of time, you would understand why a cheap bitch like me pays all that extra money. It's not for the name, it's for the quality and reliability. If price and calorie consumption were the only criteria, everyone would only eat at McDonald's.

The difference with your second comment is: Apple PAID Parc for their initial ideas about the GUI and improved on it. They had a mutually beneficial contract. Microsoft, on the other hand, saw Apple's GUI and copied it without permission. Big difference. I was actually happy to see the Metro interface with Windows 8 because they were finally not playing catc

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:45:03 AM
Only if being the McDonald's of software is a winning proposition for M$.

Not really the case though.

With the emergence of laptops and mobile computing, the single most requested feature that we deal with is Direct Access. Apple still relies on VPN tunnels...

Closely following is assistance with migrating to the Office 365 suite. Windows Intune is also emerging as a highly-desired service. Let us not forget that Azure is winning some of the market share from Amazon EC2 and that the Microsoft Surface has already, in 1 month's time, taken a chunk out of the iPad; even Oprah, of all people, stated that it was her favorite device of the year.

In addition, iPhone continues to lose market share to Android and Windows Phone. iPod is dying as a result of the explosion of smartphones.

Then there's Xbox, of course. Next year is slotted to see Xbox 720 released.

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:22:53 AM
Any brand of laptop is half the cost of a Mac Book, for the exact same specs. You are paying 100% more for their name alone. As for Microsoft V.S. Apple, they both stole their original ideas from Xerox, and Apple hasn't stopped stealing ideas since.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:20:34 AM
"Looks like HA won that one."

Only if being the McDonald's of software is a winning proposition for M$. On the plus side, their stock is very affordable and they are giving away licenses for Windows 8 by accident so the stock may go even lower:

Free Windows 8!

Link_Hiei
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 5190 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:08:51 AM
Looks like HA won that one.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:49:55 AM
See, you're argument devolves into this: "I can name an Apple product that beats a Windows product because it has this feature..."

My argument is simply this: Apple, by itself, cannot provide the same breadth and quality of services and products that Microsoft can. I've now listed numerous services and numerous features that Microsoft has developed, and that Apple has no comparable offering for.

I'll offer you the same challenge I offered @lauriloo:

Present an Apple product that has no Microsoft alternative. I will then present a Microsoft product that has no Apple alternative. Let us continue this to see who really between us is correct.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:46:10 AM
Now, let's reiterate some of my previous statements:

I think Mac's are fantastic for the average home user (though I still prefer Windows by a long shot). However, in network environment's, they are very restrictive (relative to Windows).

Ahhh, what a wonderful explanation of the difference between home computing and enterprise networking. I wonder who said that... Oh yea, I did.

Mac's are what they are: if you only need a home PC with minimal capabilities, then they are stable, reliable, and elegant. If you needs enterprise level networking capabilities, Windows wins every time.

... and another.

That being said, what about as a collective? Surely it will be easy to pick and choose Microsoft or Apple products and suggest a "better" alternative; but what about the whole?

There's the second argument starting...

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:41:19 AM
Got any more smartass windows-loving comments?

Sure do; go back and read the conversation. Somehow, you've managed to convince yourself that I am arguing that Office is greater than the Apple equivalent.

My initial argument was that Windows networks were more capable than Apple networks (Spoiler alert: They are). I then had a separate argument (with the same person though) that Microsoft as a whole was in a different class than Apple (Spoiler Alert: It is).

Seriously, you said that an Apple ecosystem is capable of everything a Windows network is. I'll be easy for you and list one simple case where this is false:

Distributed File Systems.

Explain how to pull that off with an APPLE-ONLY network. The answer is you cannot. Apple MUST hybridize with Windows in order to accomplish this. Windows does not need Apple to do so.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2492 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:31:20 AM
Your response only shows you just don't know what you're talking about. You're the one that brought Publisher into the equation, I was just responding to your comment. Of course you could code in the notepad. There's no reason to do so. iWeb is only the equivalent.

I'm not even a web developer dumbass, like I said, I used to maintain supercomputer networks at my university to run cosmological computer simulations in parallel. Simulations I wrote myself.

And e and as many as half my colleagues, still prefer Mac even in the scientific environment. The ones who don't, overwhelmingly choose Linux, with only a fraction still torturing themselves with windows.

Got any more smartass windows-loving comments?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:06:02 AM
Publisher? Don't mind if I prefer to code my webpages with something more robust, like Coda. But if you want something easier and better there's iWeb.

This single line alone shows me that you have absolutely no idea what you are going on about. A can't name a single developer who uses Publisher to "code webpages". Try Visual Studio for MS languages and Eclipse/Netbeans for just about everything else. You're no programmer, sir.

Ha, then again, maybe you're a "Dreamweaver developer"... You know the type; guys who can play around in WYSIWIGS and consider that to be programming.

Also, it's a network - not an ecosystem. Seriously, ecosytem sounds idiotic - only an Apple fanboy.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13592 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:41:39 AM


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13592 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:38:29 AM
Mac servers ROFL!! It only cost 3 times as much with half the power boss!!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:20:32 AM
How do I know? Well, I used to connect supercomputer clusters for my university.

Well isn't that lovely. Want to know where I get my experience?

I've worked on networks in hospitals, corporations, colleges, etc. What you suggest, is not true; Windows environments still dominate the industry.

Here's a simple question - why do CS courses still teach students Microsoft tech (think AD)? If Apple was both more prevalent and more capable, one would think that university's would teach OpenDirectory, wouldn't they?

But they don't - because you live in Apple fairytale land.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:14:29 AM
Need I continue? All you keep showing is that you are completely ignorant about the capabilities of Apple's ecosystem

I understand that you wish this to be true; unfortunately, it is not so. I certainly love the conjecture, but let's do this so we can be more "fact-based". I'll list 5 products offered by Microsoft that have no comparable Apple product. You then list 5 Apple products. We can continue that until one of us is completely out. Does that sound fair?

1. Bing
2. Windows Intune
3. Office 365
4. Xbox
5. Windows Media Center

You're turn; or, as I expect to be the case, you are as ignorant about MS products as you assume I am of Apple products.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:09:46 AM
@jendrian

because all of those "Advantages" you listed, are actually supported by mac systems

Explain to me how to establish the following with Mac-only systems (as in, not piggybacking from another vendor such as Microsoft):

1. DirectAccess
2. Distributed File System
3. Office365 AD Federation
4. Mac's can authenticate with AD. Apple does not allow Windows machines to authenticate with OS X server...
5. GPO's are considerably more flexible than Mac's MCX preferences...
6. EXCHANGE
7. On premise Lync Server (Communications)
8. Microsoft has IIS. Mac needs to piggyback on Apache.
9. MS has MSSQL; Apple needs to piggyback...
10. AD replication is vastly superior to OD replication.
11. BrancheCache
12. Multiple forest's in a domain.

See, I've worked extensively with Mac, Windows, and Hybrid networks. Windows is much more prevalent in enterprises.

trippyhippy9
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 562 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:09:00 AM
OSx is to Windows as checkers is to Chess.


jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2492 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:28:25 AM
Word, EXCEL, OneNote, OUTLOOK, Publisher, Access, InfoPath, SharePoint and Lync. What does Apple have?


Pages is a much better, much more elegant word processor.
Same with Numbers, with the exception that Excel has more functions than Numbers, although the number is growing.
OneNote, seriously? TextEdit has been far superior to OneNote before OneNote even existed.
Mail is a much nicer alternative to Outlook, and there are other apps out there that outperform Mail.
Publisher? Don't mind if I prefer to code my webpages with something more robust, like Coda. But if you want something easier and better there's iWeb.

Need I continue? All you keep showing is that you are completely ignorant about the capabilities of Apple's ecosystem. Sorry champ, but "lightyears ahead", was never true. And less so nowadays.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2492 Posts
Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:22:16 AM
@HumanAction: you need to actually use mac, because all of those "Advantages" you listed, are actually supported by mac systems. You just don't know how to use them.

How do I know? Well, I used to connect supercomputer clusters for my university.

And what is it that most enterprises actually choose? What are most industrial servers running? I'll give you a clue, it's not Windows. Get off your bubble, actually robust and powerful networking is not done with windows, and windows doesn't truly provide anymore anything mac servers don't.

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