 ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2197 Posts
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Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:34:32 AM
i work for the union, and i could see where all the workers rights come from and fair labor and what not but i make so drating much money, probably to much for what i do. unions really are wrecking this country i aint gunna lie |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 7:29:01 PM
Don't worry @Squrlz: We know YOU are real! 
@HOBYandy: It's a "between episodes" special. He makes them for important stuff, like the Tsuname Relief Fund and the loss of Twinkies... |
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 HOBYandy
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2984 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04:16 PM
Apparently the economy is so bad that they can't even animate Foamy anymore. |
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 Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3561 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 6:29:18 PM
You didn't really expect to hear anything smart from a make-believe squirrel, did you?
I beg your pardon?! ~fume~ |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 5:49:23 PM
@Simbosan: That "news" was a mistake, and has been retracted by HuffPost.
His starting salary was 1.2 million, he dropped it to $1 in April along with 4-6 other execs.
Try to keep up to date, eh?
@patchouly: It was the monies owed the pensions, medical funds and other Union Benifits that were the biggest debts! OTHER debts were massively reduced by the first bankrupcy.
So they should just pack up their tent and call it a day, without even TRYING to keep the company afloat?
NOT good business practice!
And I don't even LIKE Twinkies... |
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 patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
3030 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 5:11:39 PM
5Cats:
"@Patchouly: Hostess was losing a Million Bucks a WEEK (iirc) they were FAR from "making money"."
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If they weren't making enough money to pay their employees and sell their product, then the only option is to close down. Running their business, without properly compensating their employees is ridiculous. If their product/business practice is such that they are losing money, cutting back on employee salaries is never the solution. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26241 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 2:19:44 PM
You didn't really expect to hear anything smart from a make-believe squirrel, did you? |
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 CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2994 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 2:12:31 PM
they didn't like the 8% pay cut, so they got a 100% pay cut. enjoy rewriting your resume with job skill like "injecting cream filling into warm buns" |
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 Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
1580 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 1:14:31 PM
So I guess his message is "obey or it's the master's whip?" What a load of pooe.
Perfect example of poo rolling downhill.
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 Simbosan
Male, 40-49, Asia
106 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 1:02:43 PM
The company’s CEO got a 300% salary increase from $750,000 to $2,250,000, and other top executives received raises worth hundreds-of-thousands of dollars; all while the company was struggling. |
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 chicagojay
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
881 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 11:52:15 AM
@patchouly
" Why didn't the stockholders make a few dollars less?"
Did the union offer to reduce the union dues?
Nope. |
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 insane_ai
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
668 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 11:51:39 AM
Foamy said it is the union's fault.
Are you really stupid enough to go against Foamy?
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 11:43:31 AM
It's OK to make money. It's OK to be rich. But don't be a heartless bastard while you do it. Have some freaking compassion.
@Patchouly: Hostess was losing a Million Bucks a WEEK (iirc) they were FAR from "making money".
That's after a couple of rounds of re-financing lowered their debts (ie: the rich lost money!).
Will the Union buy up the company now? It's happened before and successfully too! Sometimes. If it was ALL the CEOs' fault, that would make perfect sense...
@Angilion: You may not have noticed, but it's a talking squirrel who hates ALL of humanity... |
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patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
3030 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 11:31:52 AM
I remember when the mustache twisting, top hat wearing, orphanage closing villain was the bad guy.
It's OK to make money. It's OK to be rich. But don't be a heartless bastard while you do it. Have some freaking compassion. |
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patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
3030 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 11:29:28 AM
Give me a break. You want me to swallow the pill that the rich getting richer is more important then the working poor making enough to buy food for their families? You want me to say it's fair that thousands of men and woman work their asses off for barely enough money to pay the bills while these jackoffs sit back and collect all the money from their hard work?
Yes, there is risk in investing, but when the returns come at the cost of treating your employees like slaves, then there is clearly a problem with the system. Let the rich guys make money and buy mansions and yachts. I'm all for that. But don't let the guys who are doing all the work, starve while you're doing it. |
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 SavageChef
Female, 50-59, Western US
545 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 11:15:27 AM
I nearly choked to death on a Hostess cupcake, when I was six years old. Payback is satisfying. |
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Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
289 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 10:28:07 AM
And everyone who complains about bosses and ceo's. If the workers could run the company so much better, why don't unions set up a new company. It takes a bigger contribution from members and a bank loan against all the union members homes etc and they seem to think they can do a much better job and make everyone happy. Company is run as they say it should be and you keep the hard earnt profits, if it's that easy? Setting up and getting the capital from the union fee's and banks will be... |
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Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
289 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 10:24:59 AM
@Angilon It's been reorted in the other article the CEO's went to $1 pay. And it's only after bankruptcy was completely assured that they went for pay rises or looting the burning ship before it sunk as it were.
I never said "you can solve all the world's problems by making the peasants suffer more and more while the nobility get ever richer." You know who didn't suffer the union boss on 6 figure salary who made an ideological view point despite being paid to take his 18000 employees into consideration.
Hostess needed wholesale reform and redundancies years ago. What stopped that happening? Wages needed to be massively decreased if you weren't going to make workers redundant, what stopped that happening. Yet repeatedly across these threads people say about the CEO's wages etc. They're fine whatever happens, they want the company profitable and to stay afloat to get more profit. The workers are screwed if it fails. It was no job vs pay cut. Union chose no job lie |
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 chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1575 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 10:15:58 AM
Well said, Angilion. The bottom line is the company has been run into the dumpster by it's management for many years. Who'd have thought that a computer leasing company (Data Processing Financial and General Corporation) might have troubles running a bakery? (DPF bought Hostess in 1975 and it has been struggled on and off ever since.) |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9676 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 10:06:13 AM
It's a myth that you can just tax the rich enough and solve all the worlds problems there just isn't enough money.
It's also a myth that you can solve all the world's problems by making the peasants suffer more and more while the nobility get ever richer.
And the Unions were idiot's they knew striking would shut down the business, but they didn't care otherwise why would they have chosen bankruptcy over a pay cut.
Another pay cut. And another. And another. And another.
While the few people at the top (i.e. the modern nobility) got a pay rise. And another. And another. And another.
But the company was screwed either way. Even if they had ruined the workers (i.e. the modern peasants) completely, reducing them to feudal serfs, it still wouldn't have done anything to save the company. The nobility would have done the same thing regardless - maintained their wealth and blamed the peasants. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 9:44:47 AM
VV @Thanks @Bakagain21! I asked @FancyLad to put that linky up... too much for his hung-over brain I suppose...
@patchouly: SO the PURPOSE of a company is to pay it's workers, even if the shareholders LOSE MILLIONS every year? Yeah, that's FAIR!
Why should those "greedy fat cats" <break even> or *GASP* make a fair return on their investments? Heaven forbid!
The proletatiret is what counts! Put those bourgoise b-tards up against the wall and FIRE them! (if you know what I mean!) Right? I mean... Left?
Oh, you actually called them "bastards"... here I thought I was making fun of you, but NO! This seems to be your mindset... |
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 dm2754
Male, 30-39, Western US
2823 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 9:18:40 AM
@patchouly
do you know how "stocks" even work? |
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Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
289 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 9:18:15 AM
@patchouly The CEO's salaries don't even make 8% of wages. It's a myth that you can just tax the rich enough and solve all the worlds problems there just isn't enough money. And the Unions were idiot's they knew striking would shut down the business, but they didn't care otherwise why would they have chosen bankruptcy over a pay cut. |
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Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
289 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 9:14:07 AM
In response to how people will complain about Foamys message and say the facts and Ceo's etc I give you the reply he has already formulated |
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 CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1198 Posts
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Monday, November 19, 2012 8:44:31 AM
@patchouly- Common sense, ethics and decency have no place in the boardroom, sir. Must. Have. More. Profits. |
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