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RIP Hostess Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Etc [Pic+]

Hits: 11226 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: CrakrJak
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Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3825 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:48:49 AM
They hope the union will go away so they can line their pockets with the extra money, get rid of benefits they don't want to pay and basically turn us all into slaves.

This is how it works, contractors (both union & non-union) bid on jobs, all the bids are relatively similar so they can both remain competitive. I'll use round, even numbers as an example. The customer agrees to pay the contractor $100/hr per Journeyman Electrician on the job. A union contractor wins the bid & takes that $100/hr, giving $50/hr to the electrician, keeping $50/hr for themselves. A non-union contractor wins the bid & takes that same $100/hr, giving $25/hr to the electrician, keeping $75/hr for themselves.

Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 5430 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:44:02 AM
If you read the article, they were already under bankruptcy protection.
In order to get new financing, they needed the union to accept a new deal and be at work at a time and date to meet current orders.

No two ways about it: Union actions as presented in the article, killed that company.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3825 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:38:59 AM
@CrakrJak - "It's a known fact..."

That's the wrong way to start off an argument, then not produce any examples of these "known facts."

I go to the meetings every month to stay in the loop and make friends with some of the old-timers who have 20+ years in because during my apprenticeship I learned that they're the most honest & outspoken of them all. Maybe it's just the IBEW as a whole, but I've never heard anything bad from these guys. It's a solid organization and has done an amazing job keeping us happy and all the NECA contractors that hire us happy. All the unions that have their sh*t together are the ones you never hear about, you can thank the media for that. The only time I ever hear something related to a union on the news it's something bad, that way people think they're all bad.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 10630 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:23:37 AM
I think this is a one sided article considering it's written by Hostess. But Crakr et al is correct as back in the day unionization was a good thing at the turn of 19th century when big businesses held the stick. Unfortunately, it's the other way around now as unions now hold the stick especially now that pro-union laws are in the Federal code. Unionization now has a major opportunity cost.

Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:15:47 AM
If there is a market a new company will emerge to provide and sell product. This time probably without the benefit of Union employees.

Male, 50-59, Western US
 859 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:36:21 AM
First rule of management. When you f*** up find someone else to blame.

Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:32:43 AM
I installed my solar panels last August actually. There is a school in my neighborhood that runs electrics partially on wind turbines. There is natural gas & hydroelectric (though not the cleanes) available & increasingly used in this part of the world.

You catch up when you can okay you little snot nosed sh it

Am all for unions, the hostess mess has nothing to do with negotiations. It's a 'product' supply & demand issue. Bad planning & management has got the company in financial trouble & the best way out for share holders is to sell & run.
Managements blames the union to dodge the responsibility.

Now if you had a benefit of the education or good diet you would figure it out. So SHUT UP.

Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17367 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:19:23 AM
whodat: It's a known fact that the larger unions only care about getting their dues. Both of my parents, and both their parents, worked in unions and so have I. You get little representation, if any at all, at a grievance hearing and I've seen 'hit lists' of those that have dared cross picket lines posted inside union halls.

You haven't seen the dark side of unions yet apparently, work long enough with them and you will, it's disgusting what I've seen done by them.

Male, 60-69, Western US
 227 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:59:13 AM
I can tell from the comments that a lot of people don't know poo about unions. Sure, there are bad unions, just like there are bad bosses. The fact that bad bosses outnumber badunions is the reason unions exist. I've dealt with both bad unions and bad bosses. If unions didn't exist millions of our families would be a lot worse off than they are. Read some history. Don't just hear the right wing propaganda.

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:48:05 AM
The hostess company has had problems for over a decade. Demand for their poo food has fallen and they had plenty of time to restructure, but they didn't. That is a management problem not a union problem.

Male, 40-49, Europe
 474 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:09:11 AM
Somehow i find it odd to see a company that is so big and has so much money giving in so easily to a union strike.
I suspect another motive behind this 'boohoo, look at us going down by there doings' story.
Perhaps some people get a nice kickback from selling the company?

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 773 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 2:39:25 AM
i read these comments and i somehow i have less hope for humanity than i had before. i did not think that possible.
I guess sutra46 lives in a home with no electricity. good luck with your computer without coal you self rieteous little twit.

Male, 50-59, Europe
 5843 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:01:40 AM
Is this a foot-shooting exercise by the unions? I read this on the BBC this morning:
Hostess Brands was founded in 1930 and had revenues of $2bn last year.
The union's pension fund is its biggest unsecured creditor, and is owed about $944.2m.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3825 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:51:27 AM
@5Cats - "And "The Mob" controls each and every one of them now... not good!"

Man, you watch way too much TV & movies!!!

"They have NO intrest in their "members" and willingly sacrifice them for "the greater good" = their own profit!"

You're so full of sh*t I don't even know where to begin. If you were in a Union like that it's your own damn fault, all the Union reps are elected by the members. If you see them not looking out for your best interests they're voted out. I've been with the IBEW a little over 6 years, the only time I've ever been out of work longer than a week or two is during our slow times (winter), but even then we get unemployment from the state & the Union's own unemployment fund. I've never had to take a pay cut, not even one penny, and have never lost or had any benefits reduced. Also, being Union, I get paid more than twice of what a non-union shop pays their electricians.

Male, 40-49, Western US
 300 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:40:53 AM
I blame Weird Al Yankovic! Ever since he went vegan Twinkie wiener sandwiches have lost their popularity.

Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:00:29 PM
Good riddence.
Some businesses are meant to go extinct I.e. seal fur trading & coal mining
Bad business is bad for employees & bad for consumers.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 647 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 9:47:58 PM
Who eats stanky ass twinkies anymore. Thank god that poo isn't sold anymore. Maybe America will start to eat healthier with less crap cluttering grocery store shelves.

Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 687 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 9:38:57 PM
5kats -
"They have NO intrest in their "members" and willingly sacrifice them for "the greater good" = their own profit! "
i could easily say the same about all corporations. companies are always looking for easy money. one of the best ways is to fire people for short term gains. we have all seen it done. it is not the smartest thing to do but for them who cares. bain took this strategy to heart by making record profits then after selling off the assets. i dont blame the unions because they ARE looking out for the average employee. they didnt want to see everyone take an 8% cut and lose their pensions due to pooty management. granted it didnt work but these people will find work. there is no way this type of operation will stay dead. someone will buy it and manage it better.

Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 687 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 9:29:03 PM
so now we have to buy twinkies through someone other than hostess. oh well,life goes on. i loved their products but since they are selling off assets they WILL be made again and these people who got fired will find new work. its not like the walmart that just moves to another location and leaves an enormous store behind to become some eyesore. it will be bought and used, eventually.

Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15860 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 9:18:23 PM
The Teamsters had a work rule that Hostess cakes and Wonder Bread had to be delivered in 2 separate trucks. If they want any sympathy here, they can suck it out of me.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3825 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 8:23:45 PM
It's not that unions didn't bargain, Hostess wanted to cut their wages & benefits, f*ck them. They tried something like this with us, they said they "only wanted to slightly lower wages temporarily until things got better." The problem with that is once you agree on it you're NEVER going to get back what you thought you only gave up temporarily. Just like the old saying, "if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile." Our union reps got it all worked out though and the collective bargaining agreement was approved by both sides.

Either way you look at it, that's not the only thing that's forcing them to go into bankruptcy and go out of business. I'm sure there's a long list of reasons for it, the workers going on strike was just the final nail in the coffin.

Male, 40-49, Western US
 22 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 8:22:35 PM
Unions aren't the problem... Hostess ceo's took the money and ran.

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 428 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 7:15:41 PM

Male, 30-39, Western US
 345 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 7:04:38 PM
>There are boxes on EBay selling for over $50 right here

Well now that's just silly. The brands are for sale, another company is going to be making them. There will still be Twinkies.

Male, 30-39, Western US
 345 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 7:00:32 PM
I'm not really surprised. Our Hostess rep was always having to take back product to be destroyed. Probably 50% at least. People have moved on.

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