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Free Speech Or Misuse Of The Right? [Pic]

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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:16:32 AM
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 8:05:29 PM



Francesca Lucchini is my favorite!

Oversized Lucchini!

And slightly NSFW (only a little!) From the movie!



So much more fun than arguing!


Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2669 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:33:30 PM
Freedom of Speech is not freedom from the consequences of certain speech - shouting fire in a theater, obscenities in front of minors ... and potential threats or wishes of death towards the President of the United States. No doubt the "speaker" here just made the first few pages of the government watch list.

collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3740 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:15:36 PM
STRIKE WITCHES MOVIE WHOO

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 6:04:18 PM
@chalket: He wants people to vote FOR OBAMA... he must be... (fill in that blank!)

This happened in October, eh? Before the election.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 6:01:49 PM
Thanks @collegebound! I finished watching:

Dragon Crisis! Very cute, nothing spectacular.

Joshiraku 5 cute girls being cute, VERY funny!

Ebiten The adventures of the ASStronomy Club! Yes pun intended! The manga was funnier, overall.

Am Watching:

I! Me! My! Strawberry Eggs

About a guy who dresses like a woman to teach gym at a juniour highschool... very funny so far!

Strike Witches Movie! yaya!

collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3740 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 3:45:29 PM
well i for one LIKE debating with 5Cats and CrakrJak.

also 5Cats likes good anime (ANIME not HENTAI).

just my 2 cents.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 1:59:22 PM
You all have got to chill out.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 1:54:24 PM
@5Rats: um... No. Did I make any claim of his political party or his motivations? Please stop making assumptions, that is the cause of many of your LOLZ-worthy statements.

He could be an independent, a libertarian or a zoroastrian for all I know or care (or even a Republican). The only assertion I made is that his sign certainly comes across as very racist regardless of his subsequent public face-saving, that his story of being pro-Obama is unproven and unprovable and since it does serve to avoid him some potential hot water it can logically be doubted. You took it as gospel truth, I took it as unlikely.

Seriously, also, please stop using that "IF (he/she/they)... (fill the blank) WOULD BE..." as proof. It is not proof, it is your conjecture, nothing more.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 11:49:49 AM
Thomas Savka's trolling...

@chalket: So YOU claim that HE is a Repub pretending to be a Dem in order to get people to NOT vote fore Obama by saying people should vote FOR him?

Am I clear on that?
Link to prove he's a Republican or STFU! I even found his name for you!
Seriously, IF HE WERE a Repub the MSM would be ALL OVER this story! But they aren't...

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 11:28:12 AM


THAT WASN'T THE PLAN!!

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 11:15:21 AM
It is a stupid sign no matter what angle you look at it from. It's just as offensive as the code pinko idiots that hung GW Bush in effigy over 4 years ago.


Dammit, CrakrJak, stop making me agree with you! It's painful! (j/k about that last bit )

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 11:13:31 AM
OMG! 5Rats fell for Thomas Savka's trolling!!! LOL! (LOLZ?)

That teeny-tiny "I Love Obama" at the bottom looks kinda hastily scrawled to me. Maybe after a call from the Secret Service? Do you really believe that any asshat that would put a noose with that phrase could possibly, in any way, mean it to be pro-Obama? Wow...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17301 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 10:47:26 AM
madest: This sign is indefensible.


You know what, I agree with you. It is a stupid sign no matter what angle you look at it from. It's just as offensive as the code pinko idiots that hung GW Bush in effigy over 4 years ago.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 10:27:52 AM
why seatbelt laws should not exist.

@HumanAction: You've made tons of excellent points! This one tiny thing I'd disagree on, slightly.
The law to put them IN the cars is fine! It used to be the dealership would install them, at EXTRA cost! Only if you demanded it.
PUTTING them in the cars leaves people free to choose to use them or not!
Airbags = same thing, only let the OWNER of the car be able to switch them on and off, eh?

Most libertarians I know want a federal republic.

True that! Anacrchy is NOT a Libertarian goal! We live within the "societal contract" and accept reasonable limitations on out freedoms. No driving drunk for example, it's not 'your right' as long as others share the roads with you, eh?

Being drunk in your own home = your right!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 10:19:52 AM
Nothing can be said in support of this sign but you've found a way. This sign is indefensible.

@madest: You DO KNOW it was put up by an OBAMA SUPPORTER right? It has tiny writing in the corner and the guy has said so in interviews, he put it up to "shock people" into voting FOR OBAMA...

@BoredFrank: Missing the point as well... as usual!

Reps have degenerated mightily...

@QueenZira: You mean DEMS have... it was put up BY AN OBAMA SUPPORTER... just incase you're deaf as well as blind, I'm forced to USE ALL CAPS!

I'll tell you, if I hadn't met folks like this in real life, I'd have thought it was all an act.

Ditto @Patchouly! I've spent lots of time with hippies, liberals and whatnots... just like yourself!

if you want to smoke while bathing in a tub full of gasoline...

No!NO! @QZ We need LAWS against that! The more LAWS the better!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 10:09:23 AM
"He said unemployment went down after Reagan was elected but before he took office because the market "reacts to good news"."

This is @CrakrJak you're talking about? I've never said anything like that...

WE discussed unemployment several times, you ALWAYS lost, idk why you bothered.
"1 million jobs better under Obama" when the FACTS (Even leaving 2/3 of January out) say 330K jobs LOST?

From Your Own Link the facts proved my point(s)...

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 10:07:15 AM
Doesn't the Constitution provide an illusion of freedom?

Well, yes and no...

The Constitution does provide for some indisputable liberties - mostly defined in the Bill of Rights. After that point, the purpose is not to ensure freedom for the citizens. The purpose of the Constitution was/is to establish a method of governing: a federal republic.

With this in mind, one could say that the Constitution does not chiefly concern itself with freedom; rather, it is concerned with how best to establish a system of governing with the best chance to result in individual freedom. It is a tight line...

That being said, I think it is fair to suggest that it has failed. The US is no longer a federal republic as far as I am concerned.

As for Libertarianism, I think it is more of a moral stance than a method of governing. Most libertarians I know want a federal republic.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26321 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 10:03:02 AM
"CAN'Tnadian! lolz! Excellent one @CrakrJak! I see what you're doing there

I think if you believe in God you are a simpleton easily brainwashed by ridiculous nonsense.

Heck no! He's NEVER insulting...

Please look up what a troll actually means.

"Mary was raped against her will."
You mean like that? Inflamitory statements you KNOW are false? YOU said you're read the Bible, but cannot remember something accounted in TWO Gospels? A whole chapter is devoted to that story ffs! Mr.Expert!

my link to factual irrefutable data

LOLZ! Half the time your link proves OUR SIDE @HG! Well about 1/3 really...


HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 9:54:22 AM
You didn't make any reason against the great unending tyranny of seatbelts.

I hadn't realized we were discussing seatbelts, though I am happy to explain why seatbelt laws should not exist.

Considering individual liberty as the most important concern, any piece of legislation that restricts the action of an individual should be limited to actions that directly infringe upon the rights of others. Now, regarding your seatbelt quip, let us imagine that you do not wear your seatbelt. Does this action infringe upon the rights of me, or my fellow citizen? It does not; therefore, any attempt to regulate it is an infringement on your liberty.

There is a Federal government that is above and beyond "the states" and governs them accordingly.

Are you familiar with the concept of a federal republic? As in, the system we supposedly enjoy currently?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5728 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 9:47:16 AM
@HA: So it is the Constitution then? I'll pose a simple question to you then. Doesn't the Constitution provide an illusion of freedom? Allow me to explain: There can really only be two possible explanations: Either the Constitution failed and has not provided the freedom it was intended to and was thus ignored, or, the Constitution and the principles contained in it have provided the framework for the current state of affairs i.e. the Constitution aided in fostering the considerable federal involvement/oversight present today. In either of these outcomes, the Constitution itself is really to blame either in inefficacy or collusion. You could blame the people for not sticking to the principles of the Constitution, but I would instead see it from the point of view that the principles of the Constitution itself are not "freedom" per se, but rather support of a bunch of smaller versions of control and non-freedom.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 9:44:31 AM
You didn't make any reason against the great unending tyranny of seatbelts. You mouthed a empty platitude devoid of meaning and shrugged off the heart of the matter with blithe ignorance.

"The states"? There is a Federal government that is above and beyond "the states" and governs them accordingly. Deal with it.

And this is why Libertarianism is always going to be a political afterthought in our or any country, it makes no damn sense.


HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 9:40:32 AM
A Libertarian who believes in anything even remotely like a Constitution, is a living contradiction.

Please expand upon this idea. I await the opportunity to improve your understanding of Libertarianism.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 9:39:15 AM
Well darn Skippy, you're right, if you want to smoke while bathing in a tub full of gasoline who am I to stop you?

Exactly. I am glad we have reached this consensus.

o great prophet of Libertarianism, here to convert the heathen

I'm honored by your kind words.

A failed State is a Libertarian paradise.

Not at all. I believe you are confusing the terms Libertarian and Anarchist; they are different words for a reason, afterall. A failed state it quite literally the opposite of a Libertarian paradise. A healthy, thriving, and successful republic (including the states) is essential for such an ideology.

Libertarians would be aligned Chaotic Neutral

Lovely, and certainly amusing, but this is merely a distraction. It does not appear to offer any discussable content to our conversation.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 9:35:12 AM
A Libertarian who believes in anything even remotely like a Constitution, is a living contradiction.

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