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Now You're In Trouble, Vegan [Pic]

Hits: 19746 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Funny | Added by: patchgrabber
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MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2342 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 8:40:06 AM
@McGovern1981 Now you're just being childish, you started the bashing with ludicrous gifs about vegans and when the heat got to much for you.. you respond with; OMG! vegetarians always say they are better then others. it's time to hoist up your skirt, rip your tampon out and grow a pair.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 8:38:48 AM
@MrOrange


patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 8:29:23 AM
@FP: I don't care much for comparing society's "evolution" with biological evolution. Our bodies are not built for a plant-based diet, plain and simple. The thing is that we're so good at adapting, that we can supplement deficiencies from vegetarian diets with other protein sources and vitamin supplements etc. Problem is, people are lazy, so I doubt you'll convince the majority to go veggy, and that's not even counting those like myself who just like meat.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 8:16:58 AM


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 8:16:13 AM


FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3400 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:59:40 AM
'In all likelihood, adapting to eat a diet higher in meat is what allowed humans to become what we are.'

I don't dispute that. My point is that it allowed us to become what we are, which is, to many people, a highly evolved animal that has the ability to make moral decisions. Evolution is commonly used to apply to biological processes, but I like to apply the term to society and morality. We (for the most part) have evolved away from condoning slavery and racial bias, and our society is evolving away from homophobia as well. I just include animal consumption as a future step in that evolutionary process.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2342 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:40:39 AM
Sorry mcgovern, but i have the destinct feeling i suround myself with better company..



MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2342 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:37:32 AM


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:14:54 AM

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:08:53 AM

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 7:05:24 AM
*not wanting to cram them in a drawer.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 6:37:28 AM
I'm not exactly sure how not cramming a bunch of chickens into the space of a drawer is anthropomorphizing them...it's not about inflating their status, it's just about being humane. I have no problem with farming/eating animals, but you don't *have* to do it in such a way as to prevent some semblance of a decent (though short-lived) life. And just because @Crakr *claims* (because he hasn't proven anything) chickens can't distinguish different kinds of light doesn't mean their bodies don't know the difference, as @jendrian showed.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 1:06:18 AM
Meat consumption was a choice in our evolutionary history, most likely for extra caloric intake and altering climates. It certainly is not necessary.


In all likelihood, adapting to eat a diet higher in meat is what allowed humans to become what we are. Herbivorous primates have to spend the vast majority of their time consuming food, because the calorie intake of plants is very inefficient. You spend nearly as much energy just chewing and digesting the food as the food has to give you. Meat, however, has a very high calorie to effort ratio.

Having more efficient sources of food allowed humans to devote energy to other things--like higher brain functions.

One might could argue that meat consumption isn't needed, but no one can argue that it isn't natural for humans. We lack the strong jaw muscles of other primates for constant chewing. We lack the ability to properly digest cellulose, the primary energy source in plants.

Pyrosisflame
Male, 18-29, Europe
 591 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:16:55 PM
most stupid upload ever.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17298 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:45:00 PM
FP & Cobra: Humans have been eating meat a lot longer than you might have realized. In fact Anemia, from the lack of eating meat, has shown up in bones 1.5 million years old. Here

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3400 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:38:18 PM
@Cobra: Yep. Note that I said "or mostly herbivorous."

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:13:49 PM
foolsprussia, that is mostly true, though many primates do eat insects. While many wouldnt consider this a carnivorous diet, it is definitely not strictly herbivorous.

Like you said, meat eating was probably done for high calorie content, which is why as a whole we still crave it. Just like sweets.

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:11:06 PM
inaria, this is true. however, it is possible that like us, they may store the necessary nutrients to be used into the winter. I am not Ornithologist however, so I cannot say for sure.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3400 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:56:02 PM
'we have canine and bicuspid teeth to do so'

Many herbivorous mammals have canines. Horses, gorillas, etc. All our closest ancestors are either herbivores or mostly herbivorous. You certainly won't find any other primate that eats the same level of meat as humans.

Meat consumption was a choice in our evolutionary history, most likely for extra caloric intake and altering climates. It certainly is not necessary.

inaria
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1521 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:05:28 PM
@cobrakiller if you live anywhere north of the midline of the united states, past october you get no nutrients from sunlight because the intensity is too low to jumpstart the vitamin D process. Hence why milk is enriched with Vitamin D....So technically the chicken's don't either :P Errr I guess if they even live that long...

NOT_A_BEAR
Male, 18-29, Australia
 62 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:39:22 PM
Snakes aren't poisonous, damn it! Many are venomous, but none are poisonous. And that one up the top is a carpet python; it isn't even one of the venomous species! Boooooooo!

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:52:31 PM
crakr, its only recently in human history that animals have been anthropomorphized for an agenda to save animals.

As for why we have the teeth we have; well if i remember correctly from earlier discussions, you believe in literal bible verse, and we will not agree on that one.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17298 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:21:12 PM
cobra: Knowing that the animals are important to our survival and therefore vital is one of the reasons they are so commonly anthropamorphized.


But that's not the only reason animals are anthropomorphized, many times it's done to promote anti-hunting and pro-PETA agendas. I'm proud that my ancestors were hunters and that they did so sustainably. I'm also glad that endangered animals are protected. Mankind are meat-eaters and we have canine and bicuspid teeth to do so, we aren't rabbits and our digestive system is made for eating protein.

Veganism is an extreme diet with an agenda that has little to do with being kind to animals.

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:04:15 PM
By the way, I am neither vegan nor a member of PETA. I just really love chicken, and would like to think that the little lady had a pleasant life before being slaughtered for my consumption.

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:02:10 PM
Crakr, with regards to native American culture and animals; they did eat animals and use their remains for tools, but showing respect to those animals was (and still is) a very important part of ceremonies and in in the using of said animal. Knowing that the animals are important to our survival and therefore vital is one of the reasons they are so commonly anthropamorphized.

As for the chicken argument; their knowledge of the difference between natural and artificial light may not be there. I just don't know for certain. But like most land dwelling animals, they do get certain nutrition from the suns rays which make them both more mentally and physically healthy.

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