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Corporate Pizza Greed: Papa John's Style [Pic]

Hits: 9116 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10232 Posts
Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:47:37 PM
i'm sorry but i don't follow your extention of my comparision, perhaps if you showed me the tealeaves you threw i might be able to see the pattern?


Keynesianism is a school of economics. But please feel free to move the goalposts further.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4451 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 2:22:22 PM
DFWBrysco-"Used to be, the "ideal, successful" business model was a balance between profits, expense and employee morale"

Um, no, that's never been true of even a majority of businesses.


You're 'good old used-to-be days' are only in your imagination.

DFWBrysco
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 307 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 8:35:14 AM
I've said it before - this is just yet another sad example of the degredation of the values and morals of industry of the US.

Used to be, the "ideal, successful" business model was a balance between profits, expense and employee morale" - that balance has now shifted and put profits ahead of all. Employees are now treated as a debit on a balance-sheet, instead of the valuable asset they actually are.

Obamacare is simply trying to reset that balance by putting employees back towards the front of the bus.. but business are treating it like anathema. It's a shame, really but that is the state of the world today.

[puts soapbox away]

DFWBrysco
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 307 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 8:28:48 AM
The general public will respond by either completely walking away from the high prices (other than an "elitist" few that don't consider price an issue), or they'll pay it. A good example is looking at Apple Computer products - way overpriced for the market considering their capabilities and limitations, but they will always have their fanboyz and worshippers, while the majority of people ignore them.

I think that the upsetting part is the fact that his solution is *BOTH* - raising prices and cutting hours. It doesn't make a lot of sense... if he is going to cut hours to below 30 for all front-line types of employees, then I don't understand the raise of the price; after all, following a typical restaurant business model, the management/employee ratio is approximately 6%/93% with a +/- 1% (2011 standards); I can't imagine he has so much management that it would cost all of those millions of dollars just for management.

[and next again, if you are still readin

DFWBrysco
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 307 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 8:23:25 AM
So... where to wade in and begin in this mess? I have a feeling it'll be a multi-parter...

First of all - this (and all analyses) at this point are bull$hit - impact of Obamacare at this point cannot be properly assessed because there are too many variables that require assumptions; those assumptions are always slated toward way high (and thus skews resulting projections) because Finance groups like to be on the "safe side" and not pi$$ off the boss if they are wrong on the low side. Further, we don't know if the figures are PTP, EBIT, EBITDA or what - there are too many mitigating solutions used in Cash Flow Statements in Finance to state where these figures came from definitively without more information.

Beyond that, diving into the second issue here, I don't think anyone is truly upset about him raising his prices to cover this amount. hell, it's his company and he can raise his prices to anything he wants, for no reason whatsoever. [okay, see next part]

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4451 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 7:24:32 AM
VirtualParty-"Merely that he is proven to be a greedy man"

Sorry, that is your 'opinion', not fact. It has no been so proven.

VirtualParty-"who would rather do a promotion for his business"

And the purpose of ANY promotion is to increase sales and business (you know, the PURPOSE of any business), with a result of hiring more people and paying more paychecks.

VirtualParty-"Simple fact. Fact."

Not fact, 'opinion'. The only thing simple in this conversation is you.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5703 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 6:23:22 AM
Nerd_Rage: "Christ almighty. THIS IS AMERICA. CAPITALISM. ACCEPT IT OR MOVE TO CANADA OR FRANCE OR SOMEWHERE."
Because France and Canada don't have capitalism. What a maroon.

SCfan
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 1904 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 2:48:15 AM
If you are so damned worried about it, start your company for the sole purpose of providing jobs and health care and see how far you get.

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:49:15 AM
No apologies needed. It's only the internet after all. Ya gotta play hardball.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:31:08 AM
I apologize profusly for going on a rant, but i believe deep down every human has a good side, and i don't want to kick your skull in, i want to see the good side of you, and i'm selfish enough to say that that makes my live worth living. those little moments of a smile, a kind gesture, or whatever it is that brings joy to your life. and i'm sick and tired of people blaming others for their poo, why is it so hard to say. Hey we share common intrests lets call it; live, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. and i would like nothing better for someone or some people to show me a way that we could make that happen. and thats not going to happen if we keep going the way we are going as a species. and i refuse to believe that i'm the only one with those feelings.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:15:57 AM
and the beauty is, you don't even have to call socialism or communisim or whatever ism you wan't to hide behind, it's common bussenis sense, the valua of your hous goes up if it's in a nice neighbourhood, and down if it's in a pooty one. OMG you mean investment in people means higher profit? who would have thought that? bet they didn't teach that at bussenis and economic "courses"

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:09:55 AM
and before you call me arrogant, or tell me i don't have the right to tell you what to do with your "property" and your "money" let me remind you that this society kinda functions becuase of laws we choose to abide by because they serve common needs.
if those laws fail to meet my needs, i will revert back to my survival instinct, and i will not hesitate to kick your skull in i'm dying of hunger. You can act all tough and say that'll never happen, but it will. a man with nothing to lose is the most dangerous man of all, so if you valua that relative safety of yours, and that property you own, and you'd like to keep it that way, maybe it's time you come up with a way to make sure we still have a free market, but a bunch of happy neighbours to, it makes it a much nicer and safer neighbourhood to live in.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:04:17 AM
@OldOllie

You know it wouldn't work for one simple reason: greed on the side of the consumer. if they can buy a shirt made in the USA with worker benefits factured in to the cost at $10 or a shirt from china made in a sweatshop for $5 they would go for the $5, that is an inherent trade of human nature and we havent evolved enough yet to take care of ourselves, we need a mommy to tell us not to stick our finger in the lightsocket when we start exploring, a daddy to tell us to eat our vegetables, and stay of the candy. an uncle to show us that you shouldn't play with guns till you know how not to kill yourself. And yeah i bet that anoys the hell out of you, that you simply arn't capable of doing it on your own, that you need other people, that pretty soon you'll be back in diapers again and you'll need someone to shove a spoonfull of food down your throat again. Go on, mommy told you to share didn't she?

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:10:38 PM
I never said he was doing badly only that your argument has no footing (because it doesn't). I never implied that I could run a pizza business let alone cook a pizza and to act as though that is an ultimatum against my position is blind because I never implied anything to the contrary to begin with. Such an argument you made is akin to arguing with a point that was never made. Blind.

Merely that he is proven to be a greedy man, who would rather do a promotion for his business than keep his workers safe. Simple fact. Fact. He said so himself that is what he prefers.

My success comes from my computer science degree and my work in that field. I can make a decent living without having to run my own company. (though I have made some plans for the future)

Oh, and continue to get mad for no reason whilst proving nothing to contradict me. It fills me with giddy joy.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:10:35 PM
@Cajun247 i'm sorry but i don't follow your extention of my comparision, perhaps if you showed me the tealeaves you threw i might be able to see the pattern?


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13855 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:52:47 PM
Fine, VP. Let's see YOUR pizza business. If he's doing it so badly, why aren't you out there doing it better? What? I can't hear you. I didn't think so, f***tard.

AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 995 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:39:39 PM
Federal govt. revenue 2011: $2.3 Trillion = GREED
Federal govt. expenditures 2011: $3.6 Trillion = GREED
Total federal debt: $16.25 Trillion = GREED
Obamacare = Orwellian Statist GREED

Drawing up the ordinance of secession now...

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:32:33 PM
Megrendel I don't know if you'll even see this but the facts are still in there and people are allowed to draw their own conclusions based on evidence provided. It only provides the logical path of reasoning, nothing radically differentiated from aforementioned facts.

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:29:57 PM
No shellworth did not nail it. Not at all. His figures are an obscene exaggeration about how truly insignificant it is for Papa John to be able to provide care for his full time employees. Miniscule even, yet he put's up a big bitch fit about it because he sees it as just more regulation. Tough luck buddy, the buck stops here. If you can give out that many free pizzas maybe you can invest in something that'll actually show some economic returns like the health of your employees.

Typical Ollie to jump to conclusions, scratch that, ad hominem attacks based on his prejudices. Why defend this man at all? He has proven to the educated public the kind of person he is and no sane people approve.

He may have come from scratch but he lost touch with his roots(or did he ever have any? He may have been rich by other means beforehand. I don't know enough about him personally. not that it detracts from my valid points made. )

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13855 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:11:15 PM
Shelworth nailed it. If all you stupid liberal f***tards think he's making too much profit and paying his employees too little, pool your own damned money and go into competition against him. If you're right, you should be able to hire all his best, most experienced employees away from him with your generous living wages and benefits, and you should be able take all his customers with better quality and lower prices since you all know how to make better pizza than he does, and you won't be taking nearly as much evil profit.

Well, go ahead. If it's so easy, let's see you do it. I'm waiting...

Shelworth
Male, 50-59, Western US
 326 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:03:04 PM
Why don't some of you libs start your own pizza place, pay your employees 30 bucks an hour with full benefits, then see how many customers you have buying your 125 dollar pizzas.

gymcoach29
Male, 30-39, Western US
 312 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:17:59 PM
Employees that go to work and expect a paycheck - greed. I really don't understand the hatred people have of the rich. Without him, these people would not have jobs. So what if he wants to make his money. I guarantee all you Liberal losers would be doing the same thing.

Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:52:27 PM
People don't start businesses to LOSE money...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16941 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:27:30 PM
Did we really need 4 separate posts about this?

I think we got the message the first time, now it's overkill.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 426 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:00:44 PM
Christ almighty. THIS IS AMERICA. CAPITALISM. ACCEPT IT OR MOVE TO CANADA OR FRANCE OR SOMEWHERE.
when will you entitled bigots realise that you are only in the position you are because YOU WANT TO BE. want more money? GO GET IT.

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