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Ron Paul's Farewell Speech

Hits: 6946 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Andrew155
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CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4808 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:13:51 AM
"Sounds familiar?"
The context of his response, yes.

"his stance that healthcare is not the concern of the federal government"
Is that what he was trying to say?!
Very well expressed. I disagree.

I have paid cash for healthcare. It appears to be unregulated where it needs to be.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:43:17 AM
s stammering pointed out that he didn't get 'being turned away' isn't the issue in healthcare, it's the life crushing debt.

If this is what you believe about him, then you should consider researching more. He is primarily concerned about the financial cost of healthcare (when referring to healthcare).

He consistently is asked to defend his stance that healthcare is not the concern of the federal government, and I believe you are referring to his reponses. He consistently has responded to the allegations that "his system" would leave people on the streets to die (which is complete and udder bull). Sounds familiar?

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4808 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:28:59 AM
"So let me get this straight, you would prefer to vote for someone who you completely disagree though speaks elegantly"
No however, convincing me you have a better idea partially consists of your being able to express it. Another part is my perception of the person's sincerity.

I believed he believed what he was saying (when he f*cking said something.) His stammering pointed out that he didn't get 'being turned away' isn't the issue in healthcare, it's the life crushing debt.

SunnyNphilly
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 645 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:13:33 AM
"Do you seriously believe that citizens with guns have any chance of stopping government if it really wants to do something? "

The government can come to my home, ill give them all my bullets, none of my guns.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:13:04 AM
@CodeJockey

where he had difficulty putting complete sentences together when cornered,

So let me get this straight, you would prefer to vote for someone who you completely disagree though speaks elegantly than a man with a fundamentally sound ideology who has trouble finding words under pressure. Let me guess, you voted for Obama, right? This is a foolish way to elect politicians.

See in yellow.

As I stated on that same thread, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the distiction between a false rape and an honest rape. He is not excusing rape, nor it he trying to discredit it. In this example, he is merely stating that he is only referring to situations where a rape has occurred rather than an allegation only.

Consider the Duke lacrosse team if you are having trouble understanding this.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4808 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:59:13 AM
"Why the hell didn't you americans elect this guy? He's neither a giant douche or a turd sandwich and seems to actually give a damn."
"Because as a collective, we are complete idiots."
Neither of you seem to have watched him during the primaries this run, where he had difficulty putting complete sentences together when cornered, or listened to him speak historically:
He is a well-meaning JACKASS.

Here is an example. See in yellow.
I remember seeing that speech. Seeing as the guy was a practicing physician, I hope that wasn't an honest confession...

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:35:50 AM
@Reignblazer

When was it stated we wanted a revolution? That's ironic coming from a person in a country that pays taxes to a royal family.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:34:12 AM
There can and should be limits to ownership of high capacity magazines and assault weapons. Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to buy weapons and those who go crazy should lose the weapons they have



That was attempted and failed because criminals don't obey laws and everything made before the law is enacted is grandfathered. How about have people who know and own guns make gun laws?

Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2122 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:29:53 AM
Funny how some people keep saying they need their guns to stand up to their government.

Tell me then, how goes your heroic struggle against the powers that be? Oh right..

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:39:43 AM
There can and should be limits to ownership of high capacity magazines and assault weapons. Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to buy weapons and those who go crazy should lose the weapons they have.

While I disagree with the notion, I would be fine with the individual states implementing these laws. However, it is not the business of the federal government.

Why the hell didn't you americans elect this guy?

Because as a collective, we are complete idiots. The American Idles out there far outnumber the American Idols. Dr. Ron Paul's treatment during his campaign was shameful.

antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 506 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:25:52 AM
Why the hell didn't you americans elect this guy? He's neither a giant douche or a turd sandwich and seems to actually give a damn.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:23:27 AM
The second amendment doesn't have to be revoked to put some sanity in our gun laws McGovern. There can and should be limits to ownership of high capacity magazines and assault weapons. Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to buy weapons and those who go crazy should lose the weapons they have. The NRA got a 0.82% return on their $12,000,000 investment on candidates this election. Times they are a changin'.

CynicalGamer
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 431 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:20:12 AM
Love him or hate him we need people like Mr. Paul. At the very least he went after a lot of entities that should have been accountable from day one. To bad he was a bit of a nutjob. I still would have voted for him as one of the lesser evils over the 2 idiots we had forced on us last week.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:04:25 AM
@CreamK:

Do you seriously believe that citizens with guns have any chance of stopping government if it really wants to do something?

Though I am certain you will not listen, I assure you that the individual elements within the military would overwhelmingly side with the citizens.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:51:34 AM
@CreamK

I've got more than a 9mm.

You should really look at history more.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:41:51 AM
Ban guns for saftey.
Ban knives, swords and ect for saftey.
Put cameras everywhere for saftey.

Hmmm seem like someone in the UK think the public isn't very safe. I'll take not living in a bubble for saftey thanks.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 938 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 5:23:07 AM
Do you seriously believe that citizens with guns have any chance of stopping government if it really wants to do something? The government doesn't give a crap about personal guns ownership nor does it fear you.. If you got some artillery, few jets and couple of tanks.. But your 9mm? it's a peashooter.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16682 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:47:15 AM
DinVen: The most peaceful societies in the world all have strict gun control laws.


O'Rly? The UK has some of the most strict gun laws of any democracy in the world and has a rather large crime rate. So that blows your 'gun control' theory right out of the water.

Gun control laws are not about 'controlling guns', because criminals don't care about the law and they'll still get guns regardless. Gun control is about the government being able to run roughshod over it's constituents without fear of reprisal or revolution.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 294 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:31:24 AM
ok 5cats, so giving someone a slap. not beating them up?

cause giving a slap isnt really a crime, its annoyance, beating someone up is still a crime.

so maybe our revalueing our crminal system may be a good thing. Smoking a bit of weed is a missdemeaner, not a crime, punisheble by a ticket, like trafic violations.
This would mean that a lot of small crimes would be steered away from the crime system. That doesnt mean that certain misbehaviours should be accepted, but well, fining peeps works too. then again, only if it is actually inforced. so jo more jaywalking without getting fined, etc etc.

What you want is a society that sees that certain behaviour is contemptable. To get this, i guess, we need to educate the people, and in a way, condition them. now, rewwarding is harder then punishing, but if nothing else, we need to be concistant.

Ripper398
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1318 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:08:53 AM
It is a sad day indeed. Ron Paul would have been an excellent choice as president. He's honest, cares about the people, and has a lot of heart. I think out of the two baboons, he really could have saved us.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 9488 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:39:09 AM
Tis true UK is the soppy assed country were you can bleat human rights and get away with.. well murder
Give me the US slap you down and scare the pants off you justice anyday

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2008 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:23:03 AM
I am always baffled that what he says seems so obvious yet just about everyone I talk to doesn't seem to get the magnitude of what is being said and they all ultimately waffle and avoid the good sense.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23894 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:09:42 AM
Keep in mind @Andrew155: UK doesn't consider many things a "crime" anymore!

If I walk up to a complete stranger in the UK, and SLAP her right in the face? Provided her SKIN colour is the same as mine it's NOT A CRIME!
It's a "misdomener" and doesn't get counter in the statistics!

Well done Europe! Defending the RIGHTS of CRIMINALS is soooo much more important than.. well anything else!

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:51:35 PM
....with rioting, looting, vandalism, and hooliganism. People are able to defend their property. I would recall the LA riots when the Koreans actually stood up for themselves instead of being victims.


By the way, in case you're afraid to open up that link, it basically says America's violent crime rate is 466/100k. UK - 2,000/100k. Austria - 1,600/100k. France - 500/100k. Done.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:47:15 PM
DinVen, you clearly didn't watch the video.

I don't think you understand actual liberty, the idea that we are individuals and not a collective. While you consider it "disgusting", many would consider it disgusting that you would take people's right to self-defense away, forcing them to depend on somebody else. Most of the violence that does exist in this country is a result of the drug war - something that Ron Paul is against. The drug war literally accounts for almost all of the excess violence.

Despite our gun laws and the ensuing drug war, European crime rates are not exactly much to envy. The country with the strictest laws is not "peaceful", as you put it.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

Plus I'm pretty happy America doesn't have a problem

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