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 CodeJockey
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2433 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:12:53 AM
"... I still have a hard time imagining a disaster in the last 24 years that would have..."
Around the world, you've witnessed a few. Because our modern civilization is as strong as it is, you didn't even notice things like:
-Japan's main island moving 6 feet to the right...
-The biggest underwater earthquake followed by the biggest tidal wave...
-The largest forest fire ever fought on US soil
-Katrina
-Sandy
These are all things that in the past were the stuff of >>theological formation.<<
For you, it was the background noise the news made as you did your homework... |
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 HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:28:48 AM
I didn't say large enough to destroy the US.
That's fair; I had inferred it from your statements. I still have a hard time imagining a disaster in the last 24 years that would have wiped out a "civilization". It would have been a very small civilization.
There simply was not enough equipment in state to deal with the event.
I mentioned earlier that this is where neighboring states (and extended states if necessary) come in.
The Holocaust did not move 1M people with less than a 3 day notice. It grew to the point where it could.
As did the FEMA response; it was a planned action. My point is that any authoritative body can create and direct mass migrations when injury or death is the alternative. FEMA is not the only entity capable of such.
would not have the authority FEMA already has.
Which is a good thing... |
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CodeJockey
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
2433 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:11:17 AM
I didn't say large enough to destroy the US.
There simply was not enough equipment in state to deal with the event.
The Holocaust did not move 1M people with less than a 3 day notice. It grew to the point where it could.
A state managed EMA is perfectly possible but, would not have the authority FEMA already has. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:49:36 AM
Yes, I'm sure that every chemical plant is covered with local municipal plans for evacuation due to fire.
I didn't say local; I said state. Surely you are not daft enough to suggest that a state is incapable of creating a body to prepare for disasters.
What you guys are not realizing is that you've been alive during events that would have completely wiped out previous civilizations.
... like what? What disaster has occurred during my life that had the potential to destroy the entire US civilization?
If it has, please show me where.
The Holocaust.
Without a single point of authority to manage Katrina, it would been a lesson in how to cremate 1M bodies not how get water to a stadium.
Agreed; which is why the STATE should have had that single point of authority. |
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CodeJockey
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
2433 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:34:52 AM
"...minor disaster response capacities..."
"...not to the scale of FEMA..."
Yes, I'm sure that every chemical plant is covered with local municipal plans for evacuation due to fire.
What you guys are not realizing is that you've been alive during events that would have completely wiped out previous civilizations.
"We need to move everyone in the city, 1M+ people, ten miles that way in less than two days."
That had never happened before. If it has, please show me where.
Without a single point of authority to manage Katrina, it would been a lesson in how to cremate 1M bodies not how get water to a stadium. |
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 Dragonace
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
162 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:28:17 AM
Hey guys, not everyone from these states want to secede. I live in Georgia and I have no interest in taking part in this stupid crap. These petitions were created and signed by a bunch of stupid racist rednecks who are pissy because Obama got reelected as president. It has nothing to do with politics, its simply people acting like children because of their narrow minded bigotry. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:26:43 AM
If you can say each of the 50 states has a funded agency in place equivalent to FEMA then
The problem is that the states have not needed to do this currently as a direct result of FEMA; I'm sure they each have some minor disaster response capacities but certainly not to the scale of FEMA.
The point is, FEMA does not need to exist; the states are capable of creating and managing entities for this purpose.
Once again, this is how a republic works. If the disaster was too large for one state (like Katrina was), then the other states' agencies will come to their aid. Before someone starts saying "that's not a certainty", just look at the response around the nation for Katrina, or 9-11. |
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 Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:24:22 AM
@OldOllie
"We can live a hell of a lot longer without movies, life insurance, and multi-national banks than you can without food and energy."
There are plenty of places they could buy food and energy.
If you want the latest Batman film, there's only one place you can buy it from. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:45:21 PM
I have a better solution. Why don't we just gather up all these traitors and ship them to Puerto Rico. When they realize how good they had it they can come back. |
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 auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8698 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:13:06 PM
@Roland:
People from Cali, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, NY, NJ, Indiana, Montana, Colorado, Wisconsin, etc have asked to be part. Bottom half? More like 3/4ths. |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8767 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:05:18 PM
Oh God, I wish this would happen. It is about time to jettison the garbage off the bottom half of the nation.
Sooner or later, though, you're going to get cold and hungry. Then what? We can live a hell of a lot longer without movies, life insurance, and multi-national banks than you can without food and energy. |
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Roland
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
157 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:55:45 PM
Oh God, I wish this would happen. It is about time to jettison the garbage off the bottom half of the nation. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8698 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:58:34 PM
"We need to work to bring people together"
We have the wrong system for that. They don't give a poo anymore. |
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 Fehz
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
551 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:29:52 PM
Seems people forget this nation was built on compromise.. I don't remember who said it, but a nice quote between two bickering sides:
Side 1: You happy?
Side 2: No. You happy?
Side 1: No.
Both sides: Good. |
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OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8767 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:04:29 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to kick about 20 of them out? |
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:33:31 PM
We need to work to bring people together not divide the nation further. |
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Ob1969
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
19 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:29:10 PM
They've seceded in proving their idiocy.
Yeah!!! |
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CodeJockey
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
2433 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:17:17 PM
"... because those people don't exist within the independent states? "
I'm sure they do as I am among them in Michigan but, it's a matter of agency overlap, not existence of available contractors.
If you can say each of the 50 states has a funded agency in place equivalent to FEMA then, by all means, eff FEMA otherwise, they should probably continue to manage response/rescue/cleanup and recurrence prevention like they have been.
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cyborg
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
2799 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:08:34 PM
quit your bitchin' America |
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 YANKmyDOODLE
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
662 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:04:55 PM
traitors |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:00:34 PM
and you lost Cuba 1902
... and your people lost what? Oh yea, North America (and South!).
Engineers, accountants, administrators, auditors, clerks, project managers...
... because those people don't exist within the independent states?
the u.s. to be dissolved into a loose confederation of independant nation-states
It's like you're quoting from the US Constitution. Seriously, that was the original design and implementation of the United States.
and it should be MUCH more answerable to the UN
Eff the UN. The US should NEVER answer to the UN, period. The actions of the US should be in the interest of the US only. This is the role of any government. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6370 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:34:17 PM
Let's have an annual referendum. |
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CodeJockey
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
2433 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:24:25 PM
"...and that requires engineers from the Federal govt?"
Engineers, accountants, administrators, auditors, clerks, project managers...
It's not 5 dudes in an office: The closest thing to it I can think of is the ACE + GAO + construction project managers.
They have projects that go on for years and there's no single agency overlap...
Unlike other agencies that grope you at the airport or listen in on college professors... |
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 antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
476 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:18:50 PM
I predicted that the US would dissolve into civil war within 10 years. That was 5 years ago.
Fix your s h i t and don't make me right. It's just politics and none of it freaking matters anyway. Giant douches vs. turd sandwiches and all that. |
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klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
647 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:13:00 PM
Surprisingly, it's not just the south (CA, NY, NJ...)
Even more surprising, you only need 25,000 signatures to get a response from the white house. That's less than 1% of the population |
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