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Should You Order Papa John's Pizza? [Pic]

Hits: 14754 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4641 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:31:36 AM
One of the big problems here is the way you guys view health care. Businesses shouldn't be forced to cover you and you shouldn't be forced to cover yourself. Health care is like garbage collection or mail delivery. Everyone pays taxes and a tiny portion of that goes into a health care program that covers everyone.

If you are paying into a health care program, chances are you will never use anything close to what you paid into it. However, with "universal health care", you pay A LOT less and left over goes to help others. Then, if you need something major done, other's leftovers go to help you. It all works out in the end.

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:31:06 AM
@Musuko42 What do you think companies do with profits. Get naked and have a shower with it? The money goes to the share holders(who bought shares raising capital for the company) in the expectation of a return, or for reinvesting into the business expansion,upgrading facilities, research into new recipes etc. So going from a 50 million budget to do all that to a 20 million budget will affect the company pretty drastically.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3128 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:23:16 AM
capitalism at its best

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:19:07 AM
@AJ: Agreed. Like I said, I'm not out to stick it to the company, I'm just avoiding his price increase. It may be in poor taste to his delivery driver, but that driver can take it up with Papa John.

gymcoach29
Male, 30-39, Western US
 343 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:13:56 AM
I do not have health care and I cannot afford it, however I am against nationalized (socialized) health care because I do not believe it is yours or anyone else's responsibility to provide me health care. I have my own business that has been failing for well over a year but I am sticking to it. I have care credit in case I need it and I am looking into catastrophic insurance in case something bad happens. But again, it is not within the governments scope of responsibility to give me insurance, not force it upon me. I believe everey person should work and get what he or she earns, and nothing that I get should come from the backs of those who work except my own. Besides, we have health care in this country. If you get hurt, go to the hospital, they are obligated to treat you, insurance or not...get over yourselves and quit looking for handouts from the government..

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10183 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:55:39 AM
The tip is not a transaction to the company. Not in any sense. It is a personal gesture toward your service-person.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10183 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:52:53 AM
Good on ya Patch. Most people don't show Crakr any love when he deserves it.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:52:46 AM
Because that hurts the company. Nice move you cheap bastard.

I never said that was my intention @AJ. My intention was to avoid his attempt to make me pay more, which as a consumer, is my right. Funny how he can do anything with his business but I can't do anything I want with the tip I give.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10183 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:52:14 AM
I severely under-estimated how much it costs a business to insure an employee!

"The costs to this point (basic salary, employment taxes and benefits) are typically in the 1.25 to 1.4 times base salary range- e.g. the cost range for a $50,000/year employee might $62,500 to $70,000."

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:51:14 AM
I apologize, apparently I repeated a rumor about John Schnatter that wasn't true. It's something I heard a long time ago and never had a reason to doubt it until now.

Since no one else acknowledged this I will:

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10183 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:49:26 AM
"I'll just take it from his delivery driver's tip."

Because that hurts the company. Nice move you cheap bastard.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:43:36 AM
What does it matter anyway? If he's going to pass the charge on to the consumer, I'll just take it from his delivery driver's tip. Your move, Papa...

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:38:33 AM
Out of all the fully developed countries, only in America is health care a luxury. I guess someones lift is worth 14 cents.

::::::::::OPEN QUESTION::::::::::::

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT CAN'T AFFORD, OR DOESN'T HAVE HEALTH CARE, THAT IS AGAINST IT?
1) Why?
2) What do you do when you need medical attention?
3) How do you pay for said medical attention?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:26:34 AM
@auburnjunky

Wikipedia tells me Papa John' employs 16,000 people (as of 2010).

If, as you say, it would cost $200 a month to insure all of them, that would be $38,400,000 a year.

Papa John's net income (profits) in that same year, 2010, was $51,940,000.

It would dent their profits, but not eradicate their profits.

You can argue against a company being forced to give more to their employees at the expense of profit. But that would put you in the same group of people as those who think outsourcing to cheap, exploitative developing-world labour is okay, those who feel it's just fine to hire and exploit illegal workers, and those who once upon a time thought it was a-okay to keep slaves to work the fields.

gymcoach29
Male, 30-39, Western US
 343 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:59:34 AM
What you people are not getting is, this is NOT about greedy business owners...it is about greedy government, greedy politicians. THEY want more...they are the evil ones...Why don't politicians have to participate in Obamacare? Why don't they pay into social security? Why are you all so willing to protect these people while attacking the people who built their own businesses and want to keep their own profits?

gymcoach29
Male, 30-39, Western US
 343 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:52:51 AM
He is evil because he created a business and does not want to give MORE to the government? You people are so delusional. Yes, he could take the hit, I would be willing to bet many of you could too..cut your cable down, get rid of the fancy smart phone...Oh but no....not me..if the rich guy does not he is evil but I "need" my cable, or phone or whatever...

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10183 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:51:12 AM
"the guy could take the hit, not increase prices, and still turn a tidy profit."

What freaking planet are you living on?

The one where money is infinite I assume.

How much do you think he makes a year? 1, maybe 2 million?

You people think that they can just pay for it and everything will be okay. You never take into account margins. If you suddenly start paying $100 or $200 per employee per month, that's a HUGE chunk of change! Think about it for just a moment.

Vexys
Male, 18-29, Europe
 74 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:28:30 AM
The very notion that this isnt repulsive to some is so strange to me, I really cant rap my head around this tbh. Theres two sides to this, the guy could take the hit, not increase prices, and still turn a tidy profit. But OK thats fine he doesnt wish to decrease his income so he adds this 20c or whatever to the pizzas but suddenly these pizzas you all were eating for dinner are now too expensive and you wont pay for them when in reality this is enabling the staff to have health care. How can both parties demanding more or less not care that their own selfishness is depriving people of affordable healthcare all for the sakes of 20c

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10183 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:00:04 AM
"most Papa John's are franchises with too few full-time employees to be required to provide health insurance."

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

The largest franchise in America is owned by Extra Cheese Incorporated. They have a CEO named Doug Stephens. HE owns 2300+/- stores.

"What about the countries that he operates out of that have universal coverage?"

They don't drat businesses in the ass to get funding for their health care.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:59:02 AM
@blk954

"He can do whatever the hell he wants. It's HIS business and it's still (at least for a little while longer) a free country."

Correct, he has the freedom to run his business however he likes.

And we have the freedom to call him a greedy, evil douche when we think he's acting like one.

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1978 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:28:38 AM
Papa Jack-off. Their pizza sucks donkey balls.

Stinkytoes
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 22 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:08:24 AM
What about the countries that he operates out of that have universal coverage? Will he close those retroactively?

RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2465 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:54:41 AM
If we stop ordering his pizza due to his political beliefs, then we aren't hurting him, but his employees. He will continue to live in that castle. His employees, however, will start to drop like flies as the business recedes.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12712 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:39:30 AM
I believe it is increasing the temptation for small business owners to discriminate against older people and women of childbearing age.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17308 Posts
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:45:28 AM
I apologize, apparently I repeated a rumor about John Schnatter that wasn't true. It's something I heard a long time ago and never had a reason to doubt it until now.

That still doesn't change the fact that his company uses the same suppliers and ingredients as other national pizza chains.

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