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 InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 329 Posts
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Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:53:06 AM
A draw bridge....nice....I need one. |
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 gladhatter
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
165 Posts
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Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:58:52 AM
Papa Johns is always my first choice. Now more than ever! |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2339 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:09:35 AM
Musuko42-" you'll have large areas where adults supporting families are stuck taking these "kids" jobs"
So you're saying that 'adults supporting families' should be paid MORE for performing the same exact job a 16-year-old earning pocket money is?
The work performed determines the pay. A job that entails lining up Fruit-Loops boxes and cleaning up a spill on Aisle 5 is worth minumum wage (IF you perform enough work). It doesn't matter if you're a 16-year-old geek or a 45-year-old father of three. Of course, if you're a 45-year-old who's only job skill is stocking, that says much more about you as an individual than Walmart. |
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 Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:06:02 AM
@MeGrendel
"Why? Some jobs are designed for kids, living at home, to give them experience and some pocket cash."
There's your answer: allow companies to undercut minimum wage simply by claiming "these jobs are meant for kids". If enough employers, or large-enough employers (read: Walmart, etc) do this, then you'll have large areas where adults supporting families are stuck taking these "kids" jobs. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2339 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:44:34 AM
Musuko42-"Every job should pay a living wage."
Why? Some jobs are designed for kids, living at home, to give them experience and some pocket cash. Some are entry level.
In order to EARN a living wage, your contribution to the business must worth MORE than your wage. Lining up Cheerios on a shelf does not contribute enough to warrent a living wage. (MAYBE if each Walmart store only had ONE stock boy, he'd be earning the company enough to receive a living wage.)
Musuko42-"That's the point of minimum wage."
That is incorrect. Try studying history. The Minimum Wage was never designed as a living wage. It was about income equity for those with little or no job skills and to help eliminate sweat shops.
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:39:02 AM
@Crakr: Oh, I never eat at Papa's, and if I had, I would have stopped as soon as he made this announcement. The part that I don't like is that if it were a real public option funded through taxes, he would not be required to pay for health insurance at all (except the modest tax increase), yet I did not hear him saying a public option would be better, no he only whines when the worst situation for him happens. Perhaps he should have supported the public option. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:57:11 AM
@CRAIGJ
"You are not suppose to be able to raise a family on this type of job."
Wanting to not be bankrupt if your health fails =/= wanting to raise a family.
@MeGrendel
Every job should pay a living wage. That's the point of minimum wage. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:49:15 AM
@Bakcagain21
"So going from a 50 million budget to do all that to a 20 million budget will affect the company pretty drastically."
Of course it is. But a good company would manage to survive that.
Times are changing; society wants decent, affordable healthcare for all. Just as generations past wanted pensions and unemployment welfare and safety regulations. Companies have to keep up with these changes or die.
And other companies HAVE kept up with those changes...otherwise, business would have gone extinct the moment that people banded together and fought for the right to not be shredded by dangerous factory equipment. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:44:25 AM
@gymcoach29
"however I am against nationalized (socialized) health care because I do not believe it is yours or anyone else's responsibility to provide me health care."
"If you get hurt, go to the hospital, they are obligated to treat you, insurance or not"
So if you get hurt, you'll refuse to go to the hospital and refuse the care that they're obligated to give you (because that's a handout that someone else is paying for)? |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:42:02 AM
@auburnjunky
"I severely under-estimated how much it costs a business to insure an employee!"
Then I guess you as a society need to decide which you value more: the health and wellbeing of your fellow citizens, or the ability to get unhealthy food dirt cheap. |
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ryanwi
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
66 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:32:41 PM
@WeePee,
Wait a minute. Just last year the argument was that people like Papa John were "job creators." Now you are telling me that all of his wealth doesn't support any jobs because it's separated from his publicly traded company? So I would assume you have no problem with jacking his taxes up because people like him aren't creating any jobs anyway, right?
You can't have it both ways... |
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 choonma
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
146 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:32:58 PM
Hmm. Yep, still ordering Papa Johns. |
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 infantry0
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
131 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:27:37 PM
Hater's gonna hate!
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burlinablack
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
2 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:53:46 PM
It's his business and his money you pathetic drating losers! |
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 smaus
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
668 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:42:17 PM
I want my dividends |
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 WeePee
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
607 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:44:11 PM
it doesnt cost him 14 more cents, it costs the company 14 more cents and since his company is publicly traded (PZZA) he needs to look after the profit margins for share holders. sorry this goes over the libertards heads. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:06:37 PM
patchgrabber: I believe if you wanted to protest their increased price, which he hasn't done yet, wouldn't it just be better to order from another pizza place? |
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 thubanstar
Female, 40-49, Southern US
777 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:47:00 PM
Raise the price of the pizza.
I'd be happy to help a fellow American out and make sure they had some benefits. A few cents here and there is something I'm ok with, even if I don't live in a castle. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2339 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:11:55 PM
Fionax-"Its disgusting how this man can live in a place like this, with way more space than any person needs."
Hey, Cool, does that mean I get to deem what YOU need? I think a TI-85 is as close to a computer that you need. You don't need a cell phone, a house phone will do fine. And you get to drive nothing more powerfull than a 30cc moped. K?
(what? I don't get to deem what you need? Then you don't get to judge what this guy 'needs'.)
Fionax-"deny the people that make him that money"
You have that backward. HE is the reason they have a paycheck.
In order to MAKE a living wage, you have to produce enough for you company to JUSTIFY a living wage.
Assembling pizzas has never been worth a living wage, UNLESS you own the business and also are the cook, cleaning lady, maintenance guy, plumber, book keeper and chief bottle washer. But then, you ALSO are taking the chance of losing everything you've put into the b |
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CRAIGJ
Male, 40-49, Western US
112 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:52:36 PM
Why do liberals think that if you work at a place like this you deserve free health care and 20$hr. What ever happened to entry level jobs? You are not suppose to be able to raise a family on this type of job. But now wth the entitlement crowd taking over every thing if you make less than 40-50k a year HELL why work? Its a F$%ING shame what these handouts have done to this country! |
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 Fionax
Female, 18-29, Western US
19 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:46:38 PM
I love how some people justify things like shoplifting from big companies by saying "Well, the company gets hurt, not the employees" but that isn't true! The owners of these bigass companies won't take a hit from their own paycheck, so they take hours or cut the pay of the workers, like in this situation here. Its always the little people that get hurt the most.
Its disgusting how this man can live in a place like this, with way more space than any person needs, and deny the people that make him that money basic healthcare. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:55:41 PM
You'll still pay that $0.14 a pizza, one way or the other, they'll either raise the price of their pizza or tack it on to the delivery charge. Stiffing the driver on the tip would just be a douche move, it's not their fault.
Whether they tack on the 14 cents from original price or added delivery cost, by "stiffing" the driver 14 cents I have effectively not paid the increase in price. It may be a "douche move" but just as it isn't his fault, it's also not MY fault. So I'll just work around Papa's price increase and although they still make the 14 cents, I still haven't paid anything extra. As others on this site have pointed out, life isn't fair and if the driver wants a better job he can go get one. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:34:21 PM
Let's run the numbers here, let's say he sells 100 million pizzas a year (just a guess) at $0.14 a pizza that adds up to $14 million. That's a sizable sum of money.
patchgrabber: You'll still pay that $0.14 a pizza, one way or the other, they'll either raise the price of their pizza or tack it on to the delivery charge. Stiffing the driver on the tip would just be a douche move, it's not their fault. |
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norgle
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
250 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:12:11 AM
This is like people boycotting gas prices and Chick Fil-A. Nothing will change. |
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 NNoamfer
Male, 13-17, Asia
997 Posts
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:43:26 AM
What a sack of poo. |
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