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No Wonder Obama Won: ALL The People Love Him!

Hits: 7448 | Rating: (1.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 2:13:33 PM
"How is it "a lie" to say what Holder actually did? He, himself, personally, squashed the investigation into the Black Panthers. Obama DIDN'T fire him! "

Holy crap, you did not just try to prove you are not lying by repeating a second lie. The New Black Panther case was dismissed under Bush because not one single person who could vote in that precinct came forward to say they were intimidated. When the case was brought up the second time under Bush it was thrown out a second time by Obama's team for the same reason Bush's team threw out the first case - not one single person who could vote in that precint came forward to say they were intimidated. That was an all black precinct. Black people are not going to be intimidated by a black guy even if he is being a dick and swinging a club. The whole controversy is a Fox News created story. But way to prove how much of a liar you are.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 2:04:28 PM
"All it would take is the one person who voted for Romney in that precinct to go on FOX News and say so and it would be proof that the votes were altered. It would blow the election apart."

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking and what I brought up in another conversation I had last night over at friends house.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 1:57:51 PM
"How is it "a lie" to show a Blog that is reporting "vote fraud"?"

Because the blog you posted is clearly lying about the voter fraud and you repeating that lie as fact is continuing the lie. If there was voter fraud like you are suggesting the news would be all over it. I could probably find a similar article in The Nation showing Romney districts that got 100% votes for Romney. Doesn't mean there was fraud. Just means some districts are very heavy conservative or very heavy liberal.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 1:46:47 PM
Crakr and 5Cats

Here is the thing guys, If Obama gets 98% or 99% or 99.9% of the vote and you feel there was cheating then it may be legitimate. However YOU CAN NOT CHEAT AND GIVE OBAMA EVERY VOTE.

Think about it.

All it would take is the one person who voted for Romney in that precinct to go on FOX News and say so and it would be proof that the votes were altered. It would blow the election apart.

So the precincts where Romney didn't get a single vote are proof of how poorly Romney did in those areas.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 1:42:51 PM
Crakr

"HG: 59 divisions in Philadelphia had ZERO votes for Romney... very highly statistically improbable."

1. Do you know the number of votes in each? Are they significant? Because if there are less than 20 votes it isn't that unusual. I found dozens of precincts without a vote for Obama in Utah, but they were precincts with between 4 and 18 votes.

2. The black vote went 95% for Obama. That is the total black vote. There are lots of wealthy or middle class blacks that might be more drawn to Romney's economic ideas and I don't think it is a stretch to say that almost all of Romney's 5% came from middle class and upper class blacks. Therefore I think it may be reasonable to postulate that Obama got 99%+ of the inner city poor black vote don't you? So finding certain precincts, composed entirely of inner city poor blacks, that went 100% Obama doesn't strike me as that improbable.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 1:34:02 PM
5Cats

@HG: So it's rude of me to not answer YOUR changing the topic? Sorry, you first.

I'm not sure what questions I didn't answer. I thought I went through all of them.

Please give me your questions in !. 2. 3. format and I will in turn answer them in 1. 2. 3. format. I propose we do that for all debates moving forward. Fair?

In fact let's set some ground rules:
A. Points or questions are in 1. 2. 3. format.
B. Responses must respond to all points in same format even if the response is "OK".
C. Let's try to give benefit of the doubt on intentional hyperbole, sarcasm, or jokes.
D. All facts must have a link to support unless it has been previously established.
E. FactCheck, politifact, CBO, BLS, etc are legitimate sources
F. Blogs and biased sources are still valid if the information in the article is sourced to non partisan sources.

Fair? Any additions?

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 1:24:43 PM
Improbable =/= Impossible

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17175 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 1:21:06 PM
HG: 59 divisions in Philadelphia had ZERO votes for Romney, I don't care how non-diverse those neighborhoods 'could' be, no votes at all is just very highly statistically improbable.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 1:20:49 PM
I'm trying to annoy the sh*t out of you like you annoy the sh*t out of everyone else. It seems to be working so far.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25760 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 12:42:38 PM
5Cats - You didn't answer my question:

@HG: So it's rude of me to not answer YOUR changing the topic? Sorry, you first.
Your 11:04:32 AM post is full of valid points! It would be nice if it, you know, answered my question or something...

11:50:22 AM
Well, see? That's a valid arguement! With a source even! Thx.
So 97% isn't THAT bad an anomoly = a fair cop!

@WhoDat: Just what, exactly, are you contributing to the conversation, eh? Now GO to your room and stay there until the adults are done talking... vaminos!

I'd rather PRETEND to talk like "a 14 year old girl" than ACT like a spoiled rotten 9 year-old... (ie: you!)


whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 12:18:38 PM
Just for good measure I'll throw this one out there too.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 12:12:53 PM


whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 12:10:49 PM
@5Cats - "Little boy" huh? That's cute, coming from a middle aged man who loves anime and uses internet slang (lolz) like a f*cking 14 year old girl. Nice try though. Maybe you need to hear it to make it perfectly clear.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:50:22 AM
5Cats

tinyurl.com/aulhed4

Results by precinct.

AF10: 833 Votes: 95.69% Romney
AL02: 702 Votes: 95.93% Romney
CH02: 806 Votes: 97.23% Romney
HI01: 703 Votes: 97.08% Romney
HI08: 480 Votes: 97.62% Romney
PG01: 789 Votes: 96.37% Romney

Now according to exit polls Romney only got 78% of the mormon vote. Obama got 97% of the black vote.

Now I picked one state and then picked one county and was able to find those kind of results. So there are obviously lots more out there.

Now if Romney can get 97.23% of 806 Votes in a Utah precinct do you really think it is so far fetched for Obama to get 100% of 1,008 votes in a black, poor, urban area?

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:40:31 AM
5Rats says: "The day the PotUS is sworn in = his first day on the job = the buck stops there!"

No one is arguing that, EXCEPT FOR THE BUDGET. You seem to have trouble understanding the difference between calendar year and fiscal year. Obama started making decisions in Jan '09. Blame him or credit him all you want. BUT, he made no BUDGET decisions until Oct '09. Do you REALLY not understand that?

You don't know when "the 9/11 plots began in earnest," do you? It could have been in the works since Reagan for all we know. Stick with facts and stop making stupid guesses. The FACTS as we know them are that Bush was warned REPEATEDLY, at least SEVEN TIMES (source) and did nothing. How can you NOT blame Bush for dropping the ball on 9/11?

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:30:34 AM
Here is the breakdown of all this. Obama doesn't even need Ohio and Florida to reach 270 electoral votes. For Obama to have won illegitimately, this would mean there was a widespread and well-choreographed voter fraud operation. Here's why that is highly unlikely:

1) We went through discussions of voter fraud in previous elections when we discussed Voter ID, and there are very few examples in recent elections.

2) The states Obama won all consistently polled in his favor in the days ahead of the election. Nate Silver correctly predicted every state in this election using this polling data.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:23:11 AM
Oh come on already, 5Rats! Are you really so freaking insecure that you can't admit when you stated something wrong? You have got to have the thickest skull in history!

quote from link #1: "The spike has been driven by Web users in more or less conservative states such as Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and Texas, as well as in liberal urban outposts in California and Illinois." Remember, you stated conclusively "Republicans don't say that." Link #3 (cnn.com) quotes David Cohen, a Montreal-based immigration lawyer, saying most of the calls "tended to be conservative or Romney supporters." That alone PROVES you WRONG! Period. End of story.

How on earth can you continue this argument? To conclude that I have proven myself wrong is the stupidest thing you have ever said! (and that's saying a lot!) Your very denial in the face of proof just shows your immaturity and your ignorance, so just admit you were wrong or STFU!

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:18:18 AM
FoolsPrussia

I actually did something similar. I went to utah. Then I looked at the highest percentage for Romney in a county with reasonably high population. In Utah county there are dozens and dozens of precincts that went 96%, 98%, or 100% for Romney. You can view the precinct breakdown here: tinyurl.com/aulhed4

Now obviously these populations aren't as high as in Cleveland because Utah doesn't have that kind of population density. However you could put a million white suburban mormons in those precincts and they still would go for Romney 96%, 98%, or 100%.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:09:02 AM
5Cats

You didn't answer my question:

Are you really telling me you think the jobs lost in March of 2009 when Obama had been in office for a month are HIS fault? Do you think anyone could have prevented that?

For me those jobs were going to be lost anyway and the things Bush and Obama did, like the bailouts, stopped the freefall. Look at the job numbers. They have been improving since the day Obama took office and the economy has been adding new jobs every month for 3 years. The only reason the cumulative looks bad, like that chart from last week, is because of the losses in the first 6 months which, in my opinion, nobody could rationally say are his fault.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:05:24 AM
I decided I wanted to see how a state won decisively by Romney would look, so I chose Oklahoma. These are the numbers from one precinct:

Romney: 178
Obama: 15

Romney wins 92%
Here's another:

Romney: 184
Obama: 22

Romney wins 90%


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 11:04:32 AM
5Cats

"What date EXACTLY does the PotUS become responsible for what happens in the USA?"

1. I think you and a lot of people give too much credit and place too much blame on the President. The president is not in complete control. Now you can blame the administration for things, but directly blaming the president for things like benghazi or sep 11th is dumb in my mind.

2. I have never even talked about Sep 11th so your assertion that I blame bush is false, see #1. I blame him for how he handled things after it.

3. I think the president is in charge of most things day one. However there are some things that are outside of his control, like wars that were started beforehand, budgets that were started beforehand, or other things.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 10:48:45 AM
From a comment on the Florida article:

'L024-L029 are in Lauderhill Fl. a city with 76% Black, 7% Hispanic, with a per capita income of $17,243.'

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25760 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 10:44:44 AM
@markust: How is it "a lie" to show a Blog that is reporting "vote fraud"?
How is it "a lie" to say what Holder actually did? He, himself, personally, squashed the investigation into the Black Panthers. Obama DIDN'T fire him!

It was you, wasn't it, delivering a "low blow" a few days ago...

"Fox News" is NOT the Attourney General of the USA! FFS! Yet again I tell you: I cannot watch it here!

@CrakrJak & @HumanAction: Things will have to get a LOT worse before seccession raises it's ugly head (for the second time).

I'm of the opinion that the Supreme Court's Ruling making secession illegal applies 100%!...
...Up to the hour of secession: then it's a FOREIGN COURT'S ruling and no longer has standing.

Makes perfect "legal sense" to me!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25760 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 10:33:59 AM
@HG: Once again, for like the 4th or 5th time I ask you:
What date EXACTLY does the PotUS become responsible for what happens in the USA?
You simply CANNOT have moveable dates depending on if you like the PotUS or not, that's called "dishonest" OK?

Bush: Responsible since June of 2000! That's when the 9/11 plots began in earnest, and YOU @HG have claimed Bush is 100% responsible for it.
Obama: Responsible since Oct 2009! And ALL the spending before then, including the 2009 bailout, is Bush's fault.

Bush: to blame for events 8 months BEFORE he too office!
Obama: NOT to blame until 8 months AFTER he took office?

Um, no!

The day the PotUS is sworn in = his first day on the job = the buck stops there!

You got a better date? Lets hear it!


FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Monday, November 12, 2012 10:32:44 AM
Romney could have won both Ohio and Florida and still would have lost the election.

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