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 NNoamfer
Male, 13-17, Asia
 992 Posts
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Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:08:04 AM
Damn, you Americans have some awful reasons not to include Puerto Rico... Hard to draw the map? Ugly flag? Really?! |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25554 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 4:07:31 PM
Who was left to vote?
I thought all the Puerto Ricans had moved to New York. |
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 RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
1947 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 10:57:50 AM
Don't want in when things are good, want in when things are bad. Blow. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 9:53:42 AM
Andrew155
"the South would still be one of the world's top economies."
You are saying that as if they separated now. However if they separated in the 1800s and there were trade embargos the south would have none of the businesses, technologies, or industries. Their economy would be based on farming and local manufacturing. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6280 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 9:03:30 AM
They will become the US equivalent of Greece. Money pit |
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 Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1049 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 7:41:13 AM
Their economy wouldn't have to be agriculturally based in 2012 just because it was in 1860. It's 150 years of development.
But the South separating would hurt the North more than the South. The South was largely used as a colony by the North to produce its raw good and the North would refine them in its factories. That's why the slavery system endured in the South.
So you're also assuming that the North would have the same development level if the South separated. If it's not true for the South, it can't be for the North.
The North would be completely alien from today. For instance, there would've been no Great Migration, and therefore almost no black people. This would've been bad for industrial areas like Detroit that never would've come into prominence otherwise. But I suppose there are some that imply having no black people would "wink wink" be the best thing for development. Whatever floats their boat. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 7:22:16 AM
Andrew155
"the South would still be one of the world's top economies."
You are saying that as if they separated now. However if they separated in the 1800s and there were trade embargos the south would have none of the businesses, technologies, or industries. Their economy would be based on farming and local manufacturing. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1049 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 7:13:13 AM
Guys, look at the referendum results. A majority voted AGAINST statehood. It's only a majority if you don't count the half million blank protest ballots. That matters.
It's also logical, since the pro-state governor got voted out. |
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 DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2087 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 7:09:26 AM
51 may be odd, but it's not prime.
We were discussing this at the bar yesterday, and I came up with 3 viable solutions.
The favorite was 7 rows that contain 7 stars, 7 starts, 8, stars, 7 stars, 8 stars, 7 stars, and 7 stars. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25554 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 7:06:02 AM
Morons. Currently, as a territory, they don't have to pay taxes. But I guess since the motivation is to become a state and get federal aid, they just want to sign up for welfare. They won't pay taxes anyway. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1049 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 7:03:15 AM
HolyGod, the South would still be one of the world's top economies. California and New York used to be the centers of innovation and what not, but now they are all dying. California is literally bleeding jobs to Texas, and New York is bleeding them to places like New Jersey and Florida. Tax rates are the major culprit. Texas and Florida don't even have state income tax.
They are not what they used to be, I hope you're ok with this. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10187 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 5:16:43 AM
I like the flag with the circle but that's probably too much of a change for most people. |
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 burbclaver
Male, 50-59, Western US
859 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 2:46:49 AM
In my opinion if you can't walk there from Washington without crossing a foreign country or getting your feet wet it shouldn't be a state. We have enough trouble trying to draw a map of the States now by having to jiggle Hawaii and Alaska into a corner. |
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 Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
4753 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 1:54:22 AM
OldOllie: "Trust me, guys, you really DON'T want in. Rats don't climb onto a sinking ship."
What a patriot. |
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klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
647 Posts
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Friday, November 09, 2012 1:37:13 AM
"Instead of that idea, can we give them California and New York? We don't need those festering, stinking, rats nests cluttering up our coasts anymore." ~ You do realize that you can't move states... They're still going to be there |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:40:49 PM
AvatarJohn
"Instead of that idea, can we give them California and New York? "
Hahaha. What a f.ucking joke. Yes. Let's give up the states with the highest concentration of business, wealth, arts, culture, and innovation.
You're from the south right? What does your state contribute? Honey Boo Boo?
You do realize that if the Union would have let the south secede you'd be like North Korea to our South Korea now, right? |
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 AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
475 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:26:42 PM
Instead of that idea, can we give them California and New York? We don't need those festering, stinking, rats nests cluttering up our coasts anymore. |
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 Roland
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
157 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:53:38 PM
Yay, Puerto Rico! We've been waiting for you to become an official member of our (disfunctional) family for a long time! |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8710 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:49:32 PM
Trust me, guys, you really DON'T want in. Rats don't climb onto a sinking ship. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1049 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:37:52 PM
Proform, I would take our flag any day over one of those boring European tricolors that clearly lack creativity. Plus many actually compliment the look of our flag, a flag that actually represents things.
But may I remind everyone - a majority did NOT vote for statehood in Puerto Rico. Back to 50 states, all. |
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pfkdxius
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
300 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:09:54 PM
Runemag, in what sense would they get "none of the drawbacks of being a state"? The article clearly says they would pay the usual taxes. |
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 carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
4017 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:05:54 PM
Six rows of stars; 8 stars, 9 stars, 8, 9, 8, 9. There - now you can go ahead! |
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Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
189 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:03:59 PM
Lets just scrap the US flag in favor of one that doesn't look awful. Seriously, we have one of the worst flags in the world.
At least simplify the thing. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1049 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:30:02 PM
Although, technically, a minority of Puerto Ricans voted in favor of statehood. 1.8 million voted on the status. Only 800,000 voted for statehood. 470,000 left their ballots blank, presumably because they wanted an option not in the question, probably the status quo that can't be maintained, the UN doesn't like because they don't have representation.
So the 61% in favor does not include the nearly half million blank ballots. |
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Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
589 Posts
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Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:22:57 PM
Statehood would be great for them ... but lousy for the "other" 50 states. They want all the perks and none of the drawbacks of being a state. It shouldn't work that way. |
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