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 tatripp
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1180 Posts
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Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:09:40 AM
agree |
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 DavidXJ
Male, 30-39, Western US
527 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 4:26:30 PM
I hate tips, but you know it going into the restaurant. So she knew tips are part of it, and didn't care if one single mom screwed another single mom. Nice. |
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 chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1473 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 2:42:31 PM
Tipping a server is a social norm. In other words, it is not required but socially expected. So much so that employers are able to pay them just a fraction of minimum wage. In America (and many other places) if you do not tip for decent service, you are a douche. You are effectively stealing from your server.
And yes, servers DO pay taxes on their tips. Many try to under-report their tips, but the IRS has what they call "McWater's formula" to determine, and tax you on, the amount you SHOULD have made, whether you did or not. (At least that's what they told me in the 80's when they hit me for over $2000 in "backtaxes and penalties" for claiming what I actually made instead of what their formula came up with.) |
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 pfkdxius
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
300 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 12:32:38 PM
@carmium
Here is a list of wages for tipped employees by state. I don't know how they get away with being so different or why we don't have different tipping etiquette for each state. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10187 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 10:28:14 AM
@MacGuffin
Oh look a cheap scot.... |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10187 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 10:21:50 AM
You can spend $138 on a meal leave a tip you cheap f**k!!! |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16885 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 9:31:56 AM
@banjolegs: It's supposed to be between 10%-15% (pre-tax) in Canada and the USA. However arguements arise if it is "mandatory" or not.
IAb had a "world wide tipping chart" explaining who expects what tips where, but I'm too lazy to look for it.
It's an important job, sure, but don't be so full of yourself.
@MeGrendel: I was being slightly sarcastic, eh? I KNOW there's plenty of important jobs out there, BUT what's more important than your own son or daughter? Ask any parent that...
@AtheistAlien: True that! Every waitress I've known, if they're even so-so at their job, makes loads of tip money from part-time work without paying tax on it! Nice! And ALL of them complain! lolz! |
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phirephoto
Male, 30-39, Western US
252 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 9:11:04 AM
@MeGrendel: I believe what Jeemo88 means is if you can't afford the bill and the tip. And in some places in some cases - ie parties of 8 or more, a tip is automatically added. This could be one - 8 people and a $14 meal each plus drinks.... |
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 AtheistAlien
Male, 30-39, Western US
772 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 8:54:37 AM
It happens. Live with it. There is no requirement to tip and I think it's ridiculous. Why don't I just give you more money for doing your job? No thanks. Acquire a skill and work somewhere that you don't have to depend on the handouts of other people because you're going to be disappointed if you don't. |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 8:39:06 AM
Jeemo88-"If you can't afford the bill, which includes tip."
Sorry, the bill does not inlude the tip. A tip is voluntary. No one is required to tip. |
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 Jeemo88
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
77 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 8:20:55 AM
So tacky! If you can't afford the bill, which includes tip, don't go out to eat, that simple. |
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BoredFrank
Male, 40-49, Southern US
1301 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 7:04:54 AM
If you can't afford to tip KEEP YOUR BROKE ASS AT HOME.
Oh, and 'single mom?'
Nobody gives a poo. See the statement above. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 6:23:36 AM
5Cats-"I have the most important job on Earth: I'm a child care worker."
Sorry, the majority would not consider that the 'most important job on Earth'. It's an important job, sure, but don't be so full of yourself.
banjolegs-"what exactly is the convention for tipping in the US?"
In the US, for wait staff tips usually start at around 15-20%, but go up and down based on quality of service and the person tipping.
Some people do not tip, that's okay.
Some people tip more, that's better.
I've found the best tippers are middle-class working people and business owners.
I've found the worst tippers are lawyers and Baptists (but only bad on Sunday after church for some reason).
Men tend to tip more than women. Younger tip better than older. Whites tend to tip more than blacks (cue racism comments, but research has held that to be true). |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 6:11:56 AM
You COULD force owners to pay wait staff at least minimum wage, at which time they should place a disclaimer on the menu 'Our Wait Staff Are Not Allowed To Accept Tips'.
Or you could just wait in Canada and have both. 
If you don't want to leave a tip then don't leave one, but don't pretend it's because you can't afford it when you go out for a $140 supper for you and your kids. Just leave it blank and live with the fact that you're cheap. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6278 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 5:39:12 AM
Cue Reservoir Dogs quote |
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 Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
278 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 3:53:19 AM
If she went there with eight friends of her child on it's birthday and she saved a year to get het kid a partydinner i can understand the 'single mom' remark.
If she went there for a champagne lunch after a shopping spree, it's a whole different story.
But unless anyone can verify this, this i just a bill with a comment, nothing more. |
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banjolegs
Male, 30-39, Europe
146 Posts
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Monday, November 05, 2012 3:39:35 AM
what exactly is the convention for tipping in the US? In the UK I'll tip IF I get service that merits it.. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:14:12 PM
OldOllie
"After all, Einstein, Newton, and Pascal were believers."
No. Not true. I don't know how that lie gets passed around. Einstein was a self described agnostic.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
(Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
There are several quotes of Einstein calling religious people "feeble minded" and calling religion "childish superstition". |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8710 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:47:18 PM
Ollie is an Atheist that thinks religion is for morons.
True, I'm an atheist, but I don't think religion is for morons. After all, Einstein, Newton, and Pascal were believers. However, I do think that atheists who insult and denigrate believers are morons. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16885 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:59:06 PM
Interesting how so many people feel free to tell OTHERS how and where they can spend THEIR money!
Closet socialists much?
Your money: Let ME tell you where you're allowed to spend it...
I have the most important job on Earth: I'm a child care worker. 8 little 3 year olds, 7.5 hours a day. NO tips, ever!
Children > Carrying food from the kitchen where someone else cooked it who gets paid less than you AND no tips!
(I was a CCW before I got sick... sicker actually)
(OK, Nubblins is correct: Mom is #1 I'm #1.1 ) |
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 CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2993 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:47:59 PM
If you can't afford to tip than you can't afford to eat out. Go to McDonalds and buy food off the dollar menu. And if you are a "single mom" that cant afford to tip, then for the love of whatever god you pray to, dont blow $138 on a meal |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:12:09 PM
Scuzoid-"if the teacher is doing poorly, the parents will make it known."
What? A teacher being held accountable? Being paid based on performance?
It's antiquated concepts like 'responsibility' and 'good-work performance' that Teachers' Unions fight against.
After all, schools are not for educating children! Schools exist to give liberal teachers and administrators jobs. |
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 Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:52:13 PM
There are a number of other professions that require a large amount of interaction with relative strangers I feel could benefit from lower wages and higher/expected tipping policies that will never actually happen, but would very likely benefit everyone involved minus the federal government. Frak taxes. |
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Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:49:11 PM
"$2.12 an hour?? Are you serious? I made better than that at age 16 back in the 70s! The minimum wage around here is $10.25."
$2.12 an hour means this citizen pays NO taxes. If this was a semi attractive, nice, female waitress working at a decent restaurant, she's very likely making ~$15 dollars an hour. If she's single without children, not in school, and not a homeowner, that ~$15 an hour means she'd have to pay taxes in the US. This alone is one of the biggest reasons I'm a proponent for those who work below the minimum wage. Tax evasion on low-moderate income citizens is awesome imo. I feel more professions should do this. Teachers for instance, it forces the parents to get to know their child's teachers because they're constantly having to tip the teacher, and if the teacher is doing poorly, the parents will make it known. |
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DFWBrysco
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
219 Posts
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Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:33:26 PM
I have always tipped a server. My rule is whichever is more - $5.00 or 20% of the total bill.
However, that being said - I have absolutely no problem making bad service issues known to the server - IN A NICE WAY (i.e., "Sorry to bother you, but I am really dehydrated. Can you keep a closer eye on my drink for refills?") - to let them know I am unhappy and expect better. If they can't do better, then I escalate to the manager and request a different server. However, generally just a word to the bad server gets a vast improvement in service and hence, a minimum 20% or $5.00 tip. |
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