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Sometimes The Homeless Make A Lot Of Sense [Pic]

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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Sunday, November 04, 2012 12:05:04 PM
... it warms my heart

My posts, by my count = 3, 7, 34 for a 23% insult rate.
(11-2-15 for you, note the high "Direct Insult" number...)

That overlooks my refering to your posts by counting their insults, or the "other" count would be much higher (and % MUCH lower).

IDK how you START by insulting me seven times and then claim you're "responding" to my negative remarks. That's a head-scratcher...

Feel free to disagree! I'll check in later.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:52:41 AM
As for my insults, you'll see that they have been in direct proportion to your insults.

O really? I'd say you are completely wrong.
Go analize my posts as I've done yours:
Insults = direct and personal.
"you are a full fledged, flag waving idiot."
Vague, Blanket or Indirect Insults
"Typical Liberal"
Other: every sentence over 1 or 2 words that doesn't contain an insult.

If a sentence contains both an insult AND an "other" it gets counted as Insult only.

Lets see:
>02, 10:05:08 AM
6 insults, 1 other
>02, 10:17:43 AM
1 insult, 2 Vague, 4 other
>02, 8:20:06 PM
3 Insults, 3 Other
>03, 6:20:43 AM
1 Insult 4 Other
You: 03, 2012 6:21:03 AM
3 Other

That's: 28 sentences, 13 of which were insulting. 46% Insult Content.
Notice how they decrease over time? Classical Conditioning! Woot!

Thanks for becoming nicer btw, it makes my hea

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:36:19 AM
How can you suggest that 99% of the homeless population is a result of substance abuse or mental illness and also insist that it's a choice?


@Patchouly: Because 99% of "street people" DO have one or both of those issues? Perhaps it's lower elsewhere, like 97% or even 90%, but here the brutal winters FORCE others without those problems to get help.
And THAT is the question at hand: IF (as you say) these people are victems of forces they cannot control? THEN society MSUT intervene to help them!
I agree 100%!
But, as I've illustrated, "liberal" powers-that-be flat out refuse to do that. In fact, they do the opposite!
Until it's overturned (and it never will be) in Manitoba you have the LEGAL RIGHT to live on the street and huff solvents. I'd bet it's the same in every Province too.

I have The Depression (yes, capital letters) too, I KNOW FIRST HAND what it's like.

FascismYeah
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 40 Posts
Sunday, November 04, 2012 12:39:00 AM
"Drug addicts/alcoholics are subject to a disease. "

Cry me a drating river. Everyone has bullpoo to deal with. And it's not my problem if some drating loser can't get off the junk long enough to get rent paid.

I am a pretty little girl hippie.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4470 Posts
Saturday, November 03, 2012 3:37:41 PM
As for the social programs, I don't know how they are in your Province, but here, they are great, unless you suffer from drug addiction or a mental issue. In those cases, there is very little help and you wind up on the street.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4470 Posts
Saturday, November 03, 2012 3:36:07 PM
@5cats,
How can you suggest that 99% of the homeless population is a result of substance abuse or mental illness and also insist that it's a choice?

Drug addicts/alcoholics are subject to a disease. Often they die before help is successful. Do you really think a person is choosing death? Clearly, the addiction has such a strong grasp on them, they are unable to break free on their own. As for people with mental illnesses, they suffer the same sort of illness that a person might suffer from if they had Diabetes, only instead of a disease of the pancreas, they have a disease of the brain. Not a choice.

As for my insults, you'll see that they have been in direct proportion to your insults. So...who's conditioning who?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:47:11 AM
6:20:43
A question! An actual, honest-to-God question!, emotional plea, information, emotional opinion, arguementum absurdium, <see below>, Argumentum ad Logicam.

Well! Only 2 slightly insulting sentences in a post! @Patchouly DOES respond to 'classical conditioning'

<below> What a sentence this is!
"You claim that there are programs to help, but often, people have gone through the programs and due to circumstances, that is no longer an option"
So I claim, apparently FALSELY, that there are programs, but in the same breath you tell me that many homeless HAVE USED these programs!
-So which is it? Do they exist or NOT?
Am I right or are you wrong? (That's a joke there, eh?)
And yes, circumstances! Different for each individual BUT two things that 99% (my guess) have in common: addiction or mental illness.
-I reject "bad luck" in Canada, perhaps in the USA I'd allow it...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:30:40 AM
@turdy: It's true! someone calls my name and I usually respond!
"Discussing" things with liberals gives one a thick skin, they're quite abusive. Thus taking a joke is easy-peasy!

Why is it that you think a person would choose to be homeless?

@Patchouly: It was answered by @randomnxp: mental illness and addiction. I'd say that covers 99% of "streetpeople" in my town, idk about the USA.

To live in the cold and be starving half the time?

And stoned / drunk / high on huff the othe half = THAT is why!

folks like you vote to decrease funding

#1 How exactly do I do that? I simply do not recall the last referendum on "homelessness" in my Province... And who cut funding on the Federal level? Liberals (the party) AND Conservatives BOTH, but mostly the Liberals under Cretchein! So tell me again how "my vote" could change anything?

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4470 Posts
Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:21:03 AM
Homelessness is a result of one of three things. It's either a person who is down on their luck, a person who has fallen into the trap of substance abuse or a person who is suffering from a mental illness. None of these are a choice.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4470 Posts
Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:20:43 AM
@5cats,
Why is it that you think a person would choose to be homeless? To live in the cold and be starving half the time?

Yes, I work with folks from all different walks of life. There are many reasons for why a person becomes homeless and choice is not one of them. Nobody sits down one day and says "Hey! I'm sick of living in a house. I think I'll go sleep over the subway grating for a few years". You claim that there are programs to help, but often, people have gone through the programs and due to circumstances, that is no longer an option. The truth is, programs do not have a 100% success rate because folks like you vote to decrease funding and things like treatment for drug addition and medication for depression/mental illnesses are not covered.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3321 Posts
Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:28:18 AM

Scats - You're crazy man, you defiantly brought the left vs. right debate to the thread. Be a good boy and stick to cat girls, even though it's sad and creepy, it's still better than the same arguments with the same people over and over.
The same few (including you) have gone into overdrive this political season, hijacking the comments section of IAB, forcing a lib vs. repub argument about everything.
You aren't the only ones that want to b1tch and argue...
And personally, I DO THINK IAB COULD USE MORE POOP JOKES.
I never said I disagree with you, I just meant to say politics are boring...more specifically your politics are boring. I single you out because your comments are better when you lay off the politics, you can take a joke, and because for some reason you are compelled to respond to anyone that mentions your name (including me).
Please forgive the gramitical errors...I'm drunk...(poop jokes to come)

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12964 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 10:00:30 PM
Homeless people + negligent property owners != society.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 9:10:37 PM
Note: He didn't service the whole of Calgary, just a part of it. So there's a LOT more than that permanently on the streets there.
Just to be clear.
Each one has the opportunity to enter various programs designed to help get them off the streets... but they refuse.

How dare you say that a homeless person has chosen that life...

If you work with the homeless? You should already know the answer: because it's the truth.

In before the inevitable: Not "ALL of them" DUH! Where even ONCE did I say that!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 9:04:53 PM
Insult, rhetorical question, assumption, idk what that is... oh! 'leading' question! insult, insult.

Congradulations @Patchouly! Your content vs insult ratio has improved! Couldn't get much lower, actually...
But now, out of 6 statement, ony 3 of them were meaningless, mean spirited insults! Only 2 were slightly insulting!

<Somebody give this guy the Nobel Peace Prize!>

My friend worked 10+ years on a street-side food program in Calgary. He quit because #1 his pysical health was failing rapidly, and #2 the SAME core group of 50-60 people were STILL ON THE STREET after all those years!

How's the rate of treatment in your program, hummm? Do YOU have ANY long-term "street people"?
WHY?
(that's not a rhetorical question, why haven't YOU fixed the problem yet?)

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4470 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 8:20:06 PM
5Cats:
"I know this from first-hand accounts of thsoe who operate food programs, shelters, outreaches and the like.
Where do YOU get YOUR information from @Patchouly? The "Libtard Handbook"?"
------

I suppose your all the blood is being pumped out of your brain and into your chest to try and keep your tiny, Grinch sized heart beating. You are aware that you have quoted your source as a friend who operates a food program? You also seemed to miss out the fact that I operate a food program? Certainly you see the flaw in your logic? Oh wait...Re-bubblehead-icans are missing the part of the brain that allows you to use logic. It's all brainwashed info, force fed through your favourite local news and re-bubblehead-ican's radio programs.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 8:01:05 PM
@turdburglar: Me? Lay off politics?
Refer to my post at 9:52:20 AM, please to point out the politics. Did I say Liberal or Conservative, refering to Canada's parties? Nope!
Did I refer in any way to Republicans or Democrats?
Nope!
So, who was the first person to bring "American Politics" into this thread... YOU!

So homelessness has "nothing to do" with politics? They WHO do you suppose is running all those shelters, programs and FORMING LEGAL POLICIES which can either increase or decrease the problem? Aside from the Christians, unlike what @Patchouly claims...
@tb - stick to the poop jokes, that's a good boy...

@Cajun: idk about "95% for only 1 day". Are you counting people in shelters like the Salvation Army as not homeless? I wouldn't disagree with that, but there's "street people" who rarely use shelters too.

@randomxnp: The voice of reason! I salute you!

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1167 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 6:42:07 PM
"Sometimes The Homeless Make A Lot Of Sense. Can't argue with this logic. Or can you?"

Not here they don't. Yes you can.

Without property rights homelessness would increase as wealth declined rapidly. While empty property could be taken, many properties would not be built in the first place.

People whose lives are so chaotic they become homeless, and remain so for a significant time, are not ready to take responsibility for a building yet.

There are solutions to homelessness, but this has nothing to do with solutions that work in the long run. The obvious solution rarely does, because of the law of unintended consequences. The solutions have more to do with flexibility and hard work in treating mental illness and addiction, at least one of which is suffered by almost all homeless people, and I suspect also in supporting innovative ways of life more agreeable to people who feel at odds with society.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 6:27:58 PM
This statement is also totally misleading considering that 95+% of homeless people are only homeless for no more than a day. So I really don't understand how society is failing anyone here.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 6:23:10 PM
Alright chum, just TRY keeping yourself comfortable in there.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3321 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 5:51:43 PM

@5cats - It seems this election season has turned you in to a full blown retard. You should lay of the politics for awhile. The post was a social commentary, and homelessness is a problem around the world, not just America. It seems that thru your republican colored Canadian glasses, everything relates to American politics, and can be blamed on liberals.
I think the bottom line here is that everyone enjoys your comments much more when you're not injecting your political views into posts that have little or nothing to do with politics.
Besides...YOU'RE CANADIAN, EH!!??!!!!


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 5:45:44 PM
So @Patchouly: Your two posts consist of:
"How dare you disagree with me"
a rhetorical question
"Yes, you are partly correct"
"<you> Fix the problem" (The you is implied)
And... insults!
8 (EIGHT) distinct ones and 2 implied ones!

Go ahead, do my posts! Do you count the observation of "Typical Liberal" as an insult or a fact?

btw: not seeing any facts in your posts, unless "all Christinas are hypocrites" is a fact... NOT!


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 5:34:27 PM
patchouly, you sir are a gentleman and a scholar, i tip my hat to you.

@Mr.Orange: Perhaps you can explain how what he said has anything to do with:
-my origional posting (9:52:20 AM)
-reality.

@Patchouly: 10:05:08 AM
Wow. Insult, insult, insult, "How dare you...", vile insult, insult, insult.
Nice! One sentence out of 7 actually contained CONTENT ! Not counting the Wow. The rest were falt out slanderous personal insults!

10:17:43 AM
Insult, question, admission, strawman, "Fix the system", useless advice.
Blanket slander, "I'm better than you" arguement mixed with "you guys sit back and hoard your money"... WTF! I forgot that step! No wonder I'm POOR!
Thanks @Patchouly, you sooo smart!
I am SO totally convinced you are so smart I cannot possibly continue to disagree with such POWERFUL ARGUEMENTS!!!
Is you Mama proud of you, boy?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 5:22:27 PM
...seem to think that homeless people are making a choice to be that way?

Because they do? Their lifestyle-choice of huffing solvents pretty much guarentees it? Because they stay on the streets for years, DECADES even? Dispite all the agencies, charities and programs out there to help them, I've seen the same 20 or 30 people for the past 20+ YEARS on the streets?
That might have something to do with it.
I know this from first-hand accounts of thsoe who operate food programs, shelters, outreaches and the like.
Where do YOU get YOUR information from @Patchouly? The "Libtard Handbook"?

Funny how you guys are supposed to be "Christian" (Christ Like), but you'll turn a blind eye to those in need.

Riiiight, because NO CHURCH ANYWHERE has tons of programs to help the needy! NONE NOT ONE!

You're drunk on kool-ade @Patchouly, but that's your right!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24158 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 5:16:46 PM
@patchy: I was refering to the liberal sentiment, not the grafitti.

How dare you say that a homeless person has chosen that life and Liberals defend their "Right" to it.

@Patchouly: It's called REALITY! Come to MY city! There's 100's of "homeless people" who drink, sniff glue, huff gas, Lysol, rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer = ANYTHING they can use to get high.
NO EFFORT is made to get these poeple off the streets because "liberals" (Liberals, NDP, local politicians, socail workers, judges & etc) tell us, over and over, that it would "violate their rights".

A Provincial Judge confirmed: It's a pregnant woman's RIGHT to huff solvents while she's pregnant! 5 massivley retarded, brain damaged children in a row, but HER RIGHT to live on the street and abuse substances completely over-ride the fetus'.
You sir, are a piece of human waste.

Typical liberal!

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, November 02, 2012 1:32:16 PM
MeG: "But we know the difference between 'those in need' (which I help) and 'those leeches' which I'd rather give a swift kick in the ass to."

Therein lies the problem... you do NOT know the difference. You and 5Cats and Crakr often rant about all welfare (ironic for Crakr, no?) and all social help as if the "leeches" are the majority. They are not, they are a relatively small percentage in fact, but your screeds nearly always involve throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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