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Who Will Create More Jobs In America? [Pic]

Hits: 9813 | Rating: (3.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: whodat6484
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AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 986 Posts
Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:14:21 AM
I don't know about everyone else, but I really want more of THIS! 4 more years of double-digit (true) unemployment, multi-trillion dollar deficits and death panels killing Grandma! Hurray for the status quo!

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:56:45 AM
[quote">I know of many, many companies that shift production to China specifically because they save incredible amounts of money on the bottom line[/quote">

That's anecdotal.

[quote">To suggest that businesses prefer "quality" labour over cheap labour is laughable on the whole, though there are exceptions, but those are just that, exceptions, not the rule.[/quote">

Nope it IS the rule

Important points:
-Affiliates in high-income countries accounted for 79% of total affiliate output
-Parent companies account for 69.6% of worldwide employment of U.S .multinationals—21.7 million parent workers versus 9.5 million at affiliates. This translates into a ratio of almost 2.3 U.S. employees for every one affiliate employee.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16910 Posts
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:08:05 AM
Draculya: Go back and read the next to last page, of this submission and then come back and apologize.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5694 Posts
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:56:52 AM
*ship jobs overseas. Link even mentions how Japan's move was the "unlikeliest of transformations."

And products like iPhones etc. get made in China and people don't say "this product would be much higher quality if it were made in the US." You are not a manufacturing economy any more, and if you are trying to be, then your country sucks at it when compared to the "third world" alternatives.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5694 Posts
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:53:44 AM
@Cajun: Case in point Ford introduced the $5 workday at 8 hrs per day in 1914

Apparently you missed the part where I said those days were long gone, which they are. You can't use an example from 100 years ago when there was little to no globalization and compare it to now. Also you are dead wrong, I know of many, many companies that shift production to China specifically because they save incredible amounts of money on the bottom line. To suggest that businesses prefer "quality" labour over cheap labour is laughable on the whole, though there are exceptions, but those are just that, exceptions, not the rule.

@Crakr: Like I said to @Cajun, just because some companies don't take advantage of cheap labour doesn't mean it's the norm. Also, auto manufacturing is the one industry that the US generally does better than everyone else, so it's not surprising that they would shift auto manufacturing there. But if you look at the tech industry, they always sh

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11915 Posts
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:54:57 AM
Made in China - true to his track record

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1016 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:58:26 PM
Stop going to wars and building an enormous army..

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9988 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:22:46 PM
"At least the uniforms were from an American company."

But it was some unconscionable poo when Trumps ties were made in China, right? RIGHT?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:28:51 PM
I just don't get why it is that poor people who need help getting the ability o eat is a bad thing


Quick lets compare numbers here:

2011 employees: 132,186,000 (December 2011)
2009 employees: 129,319,500

2011 food stamps: 44,700,000
2009 food stamps: 33,500,000

Shouldn't employees be outpacing food stamp recipients? On top of which I say we shouldn't fighting any of the wars overseas, but helping the poor is something best left to charity. At least leave it to state governments.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:20:35 PM
GDP up


Still below pre-bubble levels and stalling.

GDP up, nasdaq up


Artificially inflated by the Fed's lending.

Meaningless.

unemployment down


Labor participation rate down, moot.

home sales up, foreclosures down, new builds up, median home price up


Fewer people in the workforce means fewer people can afford homes, useless.

As of 2010, according to the Census Bureau, people 15-64 make up 67.1% of the US population.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4971 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:17:22 PM
Cajun247

"People on food stamps:
FY 2009: 33.5 million
FY 2011: 44.7 million"

I just don't get why it is that poor people who need help getting the ability o eat is a bad thing. We're the richest country on Earth and we can't assist people with basic things like food?

BTW:

"President Bush launched a recruitment campaign, which pushed average participation up by 63% during his eight years in office. The USDA began airing paid radio spots in 2004.

President Obama's stimulus act made it easier for childless, jobless adults to qualify for the program and increased the monthly benefit by about 15% through 2013. "

The increase has been a bipartisan initiative that realized that the program could be doing more to help more people. I would MUCH rather my tax dollars went to feeding people here than killing people overseas. Wouldn't you?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4971 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:10:01 PM
Cajun247

"This is a recovery?"

GDP up, nasdaq up, dow up, unemployment down, home sales up, foreclosures down, new builds up, median home price up, etc.

Ya. I do. Now if we want to discuss it isn't fast enough, by all means.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:45:02 PM
Look at the freefall it was in and it starts turning around when Obama takes office.


If you're giving credit to Obama, you are thereby invoking the cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:36:26 PM
[quote">Look at the freefall it was in and it starts turning around when Obama takes office.[/quote">

The labor particaption rate hovered above 66% 19 years preceding the housing bubble.

[quote">This number needs no context:[/quote">

Here's another number that needs no context:

People on food stamps:
FY 2009: 33.5 million
FY 2011: 44.7 million

Courtesy of USDA

This is a recovery?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4971 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:24:05 PM
Cajun247

"By your own "change in jobs" stats: Net jobs change: -1,135,000 Since Obama took office. You call THAT an improvement? "

I'm not sure how you are misunderstanding that data. The economy was losing jobs every month when Obama took office. Look at this chart. It may be the best example of job growth. LOOK AT THE CHART. Look at the freefall it was in and it starts turning around when Obama takes office.

We're at 24 months straight of positive monthly job growth.

tinyurl.com/3non4n6

"LABOR PARTICIPATION RATE DOWN"

Yes. But it doesn't take into account why. Mothers can decide to be stay at home moms. People can retire. Students can decide to go to school full time. I'm not trying to spin it, I'm just saying it can be spun. That number requires too much context.

This number needs no context:

Lowest number of employed people in 2009 was 129,319,000, today the number is 133,500,000.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:07:49 PM
Lowest number of employed people in 2009 was 129,319,000, today the number is 133,500,000


Based on current population projections that would amount to no more than an increase of 7 employees per 1000 people in the US.

lukeforv123
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1044 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:04:11 PM
I wish Obama had come out wearing that Romney hat during the last debate. Debate would have instantly been over.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:54:59 PM
THAT is why the unemployment rate is up, because some people have stopped looking for jobs.


"Up"? I meant "Down". You get the idea.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:54:22 PM
[quote">t amazes me that people can just dismiss facts so easily. How do you even rationalize the lies that spill out of your mouth. Oh, the data is wrong right? Those aren't the REAL numbers?[/quote">

How many times DO I have to say this?
LABOR PARTICIPATION RATE DOWN
2009: 65.7
Now: 63.6

THAT is why the unemployment rate is up, because some people have stopped looking for jobs.

By your own "change in jobs" stats:
Net jobs change: -1,135,000
Since Obama took office
You call THAT an improvement?
Give me a break!

As for the PolitiFact ranking: Half-true
3.6 million created SINCE RECOVERY.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4971 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:38:20 PM
randommxnp

"Obama will create the environment in which jobs will be lost."

How do you guys have such a break from reality?

Unemployment is down 2.2% since the worst point in 2009.
tinyurl.com/9g6gek4

Change in jobs during the worst month in 2009 was losing 818,000 a month, today we are gaining 114,000 a month.
tinyurl.com/3non4n6

Lowest number of employed people in 2009 was 129,319,000, today the number is 133,500,000.
tinyurl.com/6tsspgz

Since "February 2010, which is 31 months ago -- Obama has presided over the net creation of 4.7 million jobs."
tinyurl.com/8tj5p8n

It amazes me that people can just dismiss facts so easily. How do you even rationalize the lies that spill out of your mouth. Oh, the data is wrong right? Those aren't the REAL numbers?

Mad_Gremlyn
Male, 18-29, Western US
 421 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:44:22 PM
Anyone assuming that campaign gear is representative of the policies of the candidate is a ^%$#ing idiot.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1194 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:17:54 PM
Errrmmm ... what idiot wrote the title to this? Completely unaware that Obama and Romney will not create any jobs. Romney will create the environment in which jobs will be created or Obama will create the environment in which jobs will be lost.

Government can only create jobs by destroying even more jobs.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:56:22 PM
There are certainly cases where outsourcing is done to find cheaper labor. But it's WAY more often done to find higher QUALITY labor rather than cheaper labor. Such can hardly be found in third world countries where the rule of law is near absent. Cheaper labor doesn't necessarily mean max profit. Case in point Ford introduced the $5 workday at 8 hrs per day in 1914. It was a solution to rampant absenteeism and high turnover rates. This worked out to around 62.5 cents an hour whereas the first national attempt at minimum wage law ever was in 1933 at 25 cents an hour. Talk about private enterprise beating government to the punch.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16910 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:12:13 PM
patchgrabber: Japan 'outsourced' auto manufacturing jobs to the USA to get around trade limitations here. Japanese and Korean auto companies employ more people here than they do in their own countries and it's not because our labor is cheap.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5694 Posts
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:54:37 PM
Most outsourcing is done to reach foreign customers not to shift labor overseas.

Riiight, it has nothing to do with the insanely cheap cost of manufacturing there. Must be why you rarely see "Made in China" on products here.

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