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Here We Go Again: Obama Vs Mitt: Round 3 [LIVE!]

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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:34:45 PM
Crakr

"Because they were two separate sentences...". "

Hahahaha. f.uck me sideways you are hilarious. OK. that is just the transcription. It was spoken. Here, I will fix it.

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916, well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed."

THERE a comma instead of a period.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:01:58 PM
No, talking down to your opponent and suggesting in so many words that he has no clue about these things called ships and that how wars are fought has changed a bit is "borderline retarded. 1"







1:markust in this very thread.


I wouldn't want to be accused of plagiarism again.


markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:59:29 PM
"I submit a few numbers and this mental midget calls it plagiarism. "

I'll just plagiarize myself in my response DromEd,

It's called a zinger you idiot. Trying to look at this technically just makes you and Fox News look incredibly petty and borderline retarded.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:56:18 PM
I see you have changed your stance a sixth time on this, "Because they were two separate sentences...". Are you going for a new record for deceit? I'm rooting for 10 changes in stance.

"He pulled that comment out of his ass and it's not based in fact."

It's called a zinger you idiot. Trying to look at this technically just makes you and Fox News look incredibly petty and borderline retarded.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:54:19 PM
I submit a few numbers and this mental midget calls it plagiarism.

You want to talk about that ask the VP.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:53:05 PM
I actually have to side with HolyGod on this issue regarding "horses and bayonets". While Obama hasn't been a very good president, he is right on this particular note. The fact that SpecOps are using horses in the Afghan is simply a highly unusual circumstance. Once we've removed our troops from the region, our troops will simply go back to using HMMWVs and ATVs, as they can do more with less fuel and don't have a will of their own.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17138 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:35:13 PM
HG: Because they were two separate sentences and that Obama obviously has no idea that our special forces are still using horses, increasingly, in Afghanistan.

How can you not realize that Obama is a SCOAMF?
He pulled that comment out of his ass and it's not based in fact.

This is what happens when a politician thinks politics is a game and thinks he needs a slam dunk. Sorry, but he bounced that one off the back rim, perhaps he should stick to playing golf.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:33:54 PM
Ha ha. I was wrong. You plagiarized from Breitbart.

Lets see how your plagiarism stacked up:
You: "In early 1916 armed forces were around 100,000 men but plans to double that amount were in the works."
Breitbart: Some users on Twitter have claimed that, by virtue of the USMC still using bayonets, there actually are more bayonets in use than 1916, when the army had between 100,000 and 140,000 enlisted members."

You: "In 2010 The USMC had about 203,000 men with another 40,000 in reserve."
Breidbart: "As of 2010, the Corps boasted 203,000 active duty members and 40,000 reserve marines.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:23:18 PM
"Oh yeah...and markust....go back and listen to Kennedy's speeches about the economy and jobs and tell me who today sounds more like the man. Hint, it ain't PBO."

Really, you turned my comment about having a "You are no Jack Kennedy" moment into me comparing Obama to Kennedy? Really, that is what you have done? That is an amazing amount of spin. Even Fox News would be proud of that achievement, although I see in your comment one earlier that you are repeating the Fox News spin on the horses and bayonets so maybe you are just repeating their garbage on this one also.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:14:15 PM
Oh yeah...and markust....go back and listen to Kennedy's speeches about the economy and jobs and tell me who today sounds more like the man. Hint, it ain't PBO.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:10:09 PM
In early 1916 armed forces were around 100,000 men but plans to double that amount were in the works.

In 2010 The USMC had about 203,000 men with another 40,000 in reserve. From what I can gather every Marine is trained to use a bayonet.




markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:41:12 PM
"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed."

When clips from Presidential debates are shown in the future that is the only line from this year that will be shown. There were a few other good lines this year but nothing as memorable as that. Romney was bitch slapped and bitch slapped good. It was the "You are no Jack Kennedy" moment that both sides were looking for.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:25:08 PM
DromEd and CrakrJak

Yes they are using horses in Afghanistan. Yes the Marines still use bayonets, even if mostly symbolically. If Obama said "we don't have bayonets or horse anymore than you guys are absolutely correct."

However the quote is:

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed."

How can you not read that and not get that he was saying we have fewer bayonets and horses than we did in 1916 which is so completely true.

This is not open to interpretation. This is not debatable. Stop being partisan and use common sense.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:43:55 AM
That whole "we have these things called etc. ...." PBO taking the low road. Made himself look petty not presidential. Plus he wasn't even really on the mark with the horses and bayonets line, proving further he's not as up to date as he thinks he is.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17138 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:23:29 AM
markust: Photoshopped rifles in your picture, rather obvious too.

As I noted before special forces in Afghanistan have increased their use of horses there and our troops still train with bayonets(K-bars).

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:57:58 AM
"Actually in 2012 the Democrats lost twice as many voters"

I think that just shows that Obama is not getting the huge number of young voters this time around. The number sited in your link is people registering as Republican or Democrat not how many people have left the party.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:50:48 AM
"...the number one complaint I've seen is regarding spending."

That's what I said, he's moved too far to the right. Ha ha.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:49:07 AM
From the looks of things Obama is starting to reduce war spending.


By the same token Bush Sr. also started reducing defense spending.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:48:19 AM
The liberals number one complaint about Obama is he is not liberal enough, that he's moved to far to the right.

Perhaps; I really don't have any studies to back it up. I do know that, from my own discussions with many self-identified liberals here in Wisconsin, the number one complaint I've seen is regarding spending. After that, I've heard some dismay about the "antics" being played.

Then again, we went through the whole "Recall Walker" pity party so that may have had something to do with it.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:47:00 AM
Actually in 2012 the Democrats lost twice as many voters

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:36:18 AM
Cajun247, your chart highlights how out of control conservative war spending is. The two low points were Carter and Clinton. From the looks of things Obama is starting to reduce war spending.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:35:46 AM
How can you vote republican because they line up most closely with your economic ideals when they DON'T in practice, only in theory?


Rightfully I don't, but I think it's just as crazy if you vote for someone who's going to adamantly push for any program even after a battery of studies and history lessons show that they're simply going to not work and just contribute to an increasing debt.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:33:20 AM
"I think it would be interesting to see the number of Democrats and Republicans who has "left" their parties for an independent party over the last four years. My guess is that it is about the same for both."

I don't think it would be. The liberals number one complaint about Obama is he is not liberal enough, that he's moved to far to the right. Take health care reform for example. He folded when faced with the drug companies opposition and gave them a special plan. The worst was he didn't fight hard enough for the Public Option.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:31:35 AM
This a better chart actually:

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:19:33 AM
[quote">Military spending is down under Obama proving your theory wrong.[/quote">
Since when?

[quote">The Republican party hasn't been the same since they were taken over by the Christians.[/quote">
Indeed. I think it would be interesting to see the number of Democrats and Republicans who has "left" their parties for an independent party over the last four years. My guess is that it is about the same for both.

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