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Abortion Never Necessary To Save Women's Lives

Hits: 6379 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2655 Posts
Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:54:51 PM
btw, which medical school was it you graduated from Crackr?

if the answer is 'none', then you're really not as qualified to answer in any way what those higher risk medical conditions were than the doctors that put together the stats in the first place.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2655 Posts
Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:53:26 PM
"Listypoos: High blood pressure and high cholesterol is a 'risk to the life' of the person that has them. That doesn't mean they'll die immediately.

Thankfully, modern medicine has lowered many health risks, especially in the last 20 years. "


again, an unsuitable analogy because you can't actually think of one that makes sense. Are the medical reasons stated for the abortions mentioned in the stats? No... yet you'd rather make up bullpoo minor 'risks' as the reason for them than just present honest facts as they were presented to parliament and leave it up to other people to form their own conclusion - that in itself suggest s that you are insecure with the stats and don't just want to present them 'as is' you want to present them and then lead other people to assume they were minor risks like those you've come up with yourself there.... don't try and spin the stats your way, just cut and paste them - ALL of them.

btw..which medical school w

cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 379 Posts
Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:22:04 AM
@CrakrJak

Medical risks or not, who are you not support something you will never have to decide in your life? who are you to judge someone for making a decision that will not effect your life at all. having said that, i am pro life. i am a father. there are two reasons to have an abortion, rape and health factors (no matter how small the risk). And don't give me some "god/the bible says" bullpoo, because here's a secret, the thinking man doesn't believe in your fairy tales and imaginary friend. tolerance doen't mean you have to agree with something, it just means you have to accept it. i have to deal with god and religion in my communities and schools passing on ignorance to future generations... all you have to deal with is some irresponsible people that you will never know or meet doing something that you don't agree with and doesn't effect you. boo hoo.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:19:38 AM
Listypoos: High blood pressure and high cholesterol is a 'risk to the life' of the person that has them. That doesn't mean they'll die immediately.

Thankfully, modern medicine has lowered many health risks, especially in the last 20 years.

Case in point, 20 years ago a 2 month premature baby would've died, now they are routinely treated and live. Life saving measures have been applied to the mother as well.

The stats I quoted are 20 years old, but they are the only ones I could find. I'm betting the numbers are even lower now, but without a modern study to point to it's hard to know for sure.


Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2655 Posts
Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:43:52 AM
Do really do come out with some poo.

you really think that is an apt analogy for those scenarios?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:49:05 PM
Listypoos: You're just wrong on this point, there are a lot of health conditions that pregnancy can 'put the life of the mother at risk'. That doesn't mean they are going to die, it means they have risk factors that make their pregnancy troublesome.

Pregnant women's hormones can run amok and cause all sorts of problems to even healthy women, those that aren't healthy are more 'at risk'.

Driving with a seat beat is risky, driving with out a seat belt puts your life at risk. Does that mean you're going to die if you don't buckle up? No.

Get it now?

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:23:34 AM
An-egg,
Thank you. I'll try to keep that in mind.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2655 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:45:38 AM
"Listypoos: Wrong, The others you are trying to add were pregnancies that had a 'health risk' to the mother. Women with Diabetes, epilepsy, and other ailments have such 'health risks' with pregnancy, that doesn't mean they would've died or become gravely ill."

instead of putting quotation marks around a phrase that doesn't even exist in the stats you were quoting, why didn't you just quote the entire stats rather than leave those 23000 people out?

The question the Mp asked in parliament was how many women had terminations during that time because of medical reasons... they broke the figures down into two groups, those with immediate need of termination and those where it was a risk to the life of the woman to continue with the pregnancy.

you left them out because it made a weaker argument for your statement... don't bullpoo it, just include the stats that were given and leave it up to people to interpret them themselves.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:38:55 AM
^^^or the title link up there

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:38:13 AM
@broizfam it happens when you refresh the page. Why, I don't know. If you use the more comments link to refresh the page it won't happen

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:20:30 AM
I think my laptop is having seizures!

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19:14 AM
I'm not sure the caption is quite accurate but he does seem to have seem to feel that way. I won't comment on his pro-life stance. I'm pro-choice, he's pro-life and we each have the right. Pregnancy can impact a woman's health seriously. Women sometimes still have life long health problems and women still die due to pregnancy related health issues. It's rare, that's correct, but it still happens. I know...I'm still in practice as an obstetrician.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:18:08 AM
How'd THAT happen?

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:17:22 AM
I'm not sure the caption is quite accurate but he does seem to have seem to feel that way. I won't comment on his pro-life stance. I'm pro-choice, he's pro-life and we each have the right. Pregnancy can impact a woman's health seriously. Women sometimes still have life long health problems and women still die due to pregnancy related health issues. It's rare, that's correct, but it still happens. I know...I'm still in practice as an obstetrician.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:17:07 AM
zombunny,
We wouldn't need drive-thru. We'd have house-calls!

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:13:42 AM
I'm not sure the caption is quite accurate but he does seem to have seem to feel that way. I won't comment on his pro-life stance. I'm pro-choice, he's pro-life and we each have the right. Pregnancy can impact a woman's health seriously. Women sometimes still have life long health problems and women still die due to pregnancy related health issues. It's rare, that's correct, but it still happens. I know...I'm still in practice as an obstetrician.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:25:39 AM
Listypoos: Wrong, The others you are trying to add were pregnancies that had a 'health risk' to the mother. Women with Diabetes, epilepsy, and other ailments have such 'health risks' with pregnancy, that doesn't mean they would've died or become gravely ill.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:41:01 AM
tiful to mention). No, Listypoos, there is no room for logic in this conversation. No room at all.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:39:23 AM
Listypoos, let's not be clouding up this conversation with logic! I mean, if we did, we'd have to wonder why real sex and contraception education is being OUTLAWED in this country in favor of Taliban-like abstinence-only education (actual, verifiable sources here), we'd have to wonder why there's such a fight against funding contraception and other preventive services, including the morning after pill, which prevents pregnancy, does not terminate it (sources too plen

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2655 Posts
Saturday, October 20, 2012 3:20:38 AM
Crackr, I think you purposely missed a little bit of relevant information off those quoted stats from Hansard - the bit at the end of the quote that says there were an awful lot more than 0.006% that were performed due to the risk to the mother but they were performed before that risk got to the 'immediate need' stage.

Why didn't you mention those 23,000 extra in your quote?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Friday, October 19, 2012 11:01:25 PM
Gerry: The first statistic is from Dr Michael Jarmulowicz, as cited in The Physical and Psycho-Social effects of Abortion on Women: A Report by the Commission of Inquiry into the Operation and Consequences of The Abortion Act, June 1994 p. 5

I have link to the second statistic, Here.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Friday, October 19, 2012 7:44:53 PM

CrakrJak, while I agree with you on abortion, I'd like to know your source for those statistics.

dirtysteve00
Male, 30-39, Europe
 375 Posts
Friday, October 19, 2012 7:31:11 PM
Once again, boredom not cured.
Is it just the same posters, having the same arguments over and over again oon here?

zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2524 Posts
Friday, October 19, 2012 6:48:08 PM
If men could get pregnant we'd have drive-thru abortion clinics.

Reciprocity
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 19 Posts
Friday, October 19, 2012 5:33:28 PM
Thanks be to the Christ our Lord that I was able to stumble upon some random right-wing statistics in the comments section of the IAB forums.

This has certainly changed my views on as personal a topic as abortion, rape and/or religion. Thank God for you HEROES out there doing the research and spreading the meticulously gathered data all across the internet. IAB, reddit and youtube would not be as informative without it.

Since we all know that 87% of all internet statistical claims are in-fact true, it is imperative that you post more often to increase the amount of "truth" out there on the interwebs.

Also, I never thanked you guise for convincing me that the earth is like 6,000 years old. Saying it with a straight face and repeating it over and over totally makes it legit. Keep up the fight. Because we are all convinced, just like you, that there is some sort of fight or struggle or war of some sort going on where you are being victimized. You

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