 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
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Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:33:35 AM
Even though I'm poor, I'd still give the shirt off my back if someone needed it.
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Only with conditions or strings. Like the soup kitchen that dissed Paul Ryan or the pizza guy who bear hugged Obama, you'd be the first to cut them off. It's exactly why we need a safety net so that the needy don't pay the price of christian conservative nonsense. This Billy Graham is a tyrant. He uses his pulpit to tell his flock who's acceptable and who's not. It almost makes me wish there would be a God so Billy boy could burn for all eternity. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Saturday, October 20, 2012 12:08:17 AM
HG: I believe you missed Jesus' message completely. So you aren't qualified to judge the good that churches do.
All you did was go through the motions of being a Christian, you didn't take that leap of faith.
Even though I'm poor, I'd still give the shirt off my back if someone needed it.
Billy Graham has given more to others than I can ever hope to, I believe he deserves some respect. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 9:35:00 PM
elkingo
"I'd like to see research showing this. I think you are lying, or just making things up because you want them to be true."
Research on what? It is common sense. How do you think churches pay for the buildings? How do you think they pay their electric bills? How do you think they pay their pastors. How do you think the vatican got built with its giant murals, gold gilded pillars, and marble floors? Donations. Tithing.
If Jesus were real and came back he would be ashamed at how badly people missed his message. |
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 elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2324 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 9:19:29 PM
"The rest goes to building churches, paying church staff, overhead, the pope's awesome hats, etc."
I'd like to see research showing this. I think you are lying, or just making things up because you want them to be true. |
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
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Friday, October 19, 2012 8:18:21 PM
Romney gives more to charity than Obama and Biden combined.
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Charity is not Mitt's forte. Sending brainwashed kids door to door selling the make believe life of latter day saints is hardly charity. It's annoying. The money Mitt earns is tax payer money. While he's out single-handedly destroying Americas manufacturing sector and sending the jobs overseas we the taxpayer are left paying for his devastation. From depressed towns, unemployed workers, bankruptcies and even suicides Mitt is a man who has no shame. He smiles takes his millions and never looks back. He is the devil incarnate and snake oil salesman Billy Graham just made a deal with him. They're both turds and if they represent you my point has been made. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 6:20:12 PM
CrakrJak
"Churches run most of our countries food banks and run most of the free clinics as well. Your portrayal is off the mark. I've been homeless and had to rely on food banks and a free medical clinic. This is another time where my experience trumps your lame portrayal."
You misunderstand. Churches do a lot of good. However only a portion of what they get goes to actually helping people. The rest goes to building churches, paying church staff, overhead, the pope's awesome hats, etc. Think of how many more people could be helped if people gave that money directly to the food banks and free clinics.
Look at what the mormon church does with its money, running ad campaigns, building giant palaces, and sending people around the world to knock on doors.
Let's say Jesus did come back. Do you think he would approve of the opulent Mormon temple in Salt Lake City? Of course not.
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Friday, October 19, 2012 6:07:46 PM
HG: Churches run most of our countries food banks and run most of the free clinics as well. Your portrayal is off the mark. I've been homeless and had to rely on food banks and a free medical clinic. This is another time where my experience trumps your lame portrayal.
But if you want data, here it is. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 4:42:53 PM
CrakrJak
"Conservatives still give more money and time to charity than liberals do"
Only if you count churches and ballets and opera houses. If you just look at money that helps the sick and the poor that isn't true. Romney gave almost all his "charity" to the Mormon church so they could fight gay marriage in california, build giant opulent churches, and send people around the world to knock on people's doors.
Do you REALLY consider that charity?
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
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Friday, October 19, 2012 4:01:41 PM
CrakrJak
"Conservatives still give more money and time to charity than liberals do"
Only if you count churches and ballets and opera houses. If you just look at money that helps the sick and the poor that isn't true. Romney gave almost all his "charity" to the Mormon church so they could fight gay marriage in california, build giant opulent churches, and send people around the world to knock on people's doors.
Do you REALLY consider that charity?
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:57:47 PM
madest: Conservatives still give more money and time to charity than liberals do.
Romney gives more to charity than Obama and Biden combined.
But don't let those facts get in the way of you being a liberal troll. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:32:27 PM
cartright
Ummmm. Who are you addressing? It seems aimed at me.
"you just need someone to agree with you so you feel better about being an atheist."
This post has nothing to do with being an atheist. If I was Hindu, Christian, or a Scientologist I would STILL rail against people using their personal religious views to push an agenda of bigotry and exclusion.
"Also, its funny how quickly you will reference an article that points out hypocrisy without ever questioning the authenticity of the article "
The article is accurate. The story is all over the place, not just one spot. |
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 chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1473 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25:12 PM
Keep up the good work, HG and Smag! I just love seeing Crakr get his ass handed to him! lol.
Reason and logic will eventually win out over bronze age fairy tales. What the hell makes them think that their particular cult is the only one that has it right, out of the 1000's of others? |
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 cartright
Male, 30-39, Southern US
58 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25:03 PM
Also, its funny how quickly you will reference an article that points out hypocrisy without ever questioning the authenticity of the article which was obviously written to garner political and financial support. Two things that clearly never foster corruption. The Bible talks more about these evils than you do, Sometimes it's ok to blame the player not the rules or the game! |
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cartright
Male, 30-39, Southern US
58 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 12:08:39 PM
Do you think pointing out an atheists faults make him any less right? I don't think pointing out hypocritical christians make them wrong... All this discussion seems like you just need someone to agree with you so you feel better about being an atheist. |
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6406 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:57:46 AM
They are shameful people who lack empathy and you can see it here. |
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 SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2734 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:41:15 AM
madest, that link deserves a top post. And I'd love to hear some of the conservative members respond to that. I recall the same thing happening to a pizza guy down in FL for hugging the president. Oh well. |
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 zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2524 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:30:57 AM
Keep in mind that there are entire countries in which a person can literally be killed for being an atheist, so of course there are probably more atheists than those who are willing to admit it. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:29:48 AM
Speaking of conservative hypocrisy:
"Out spoken defender of family values and hardcore "pro-life" Tennessee Congressman Scott DesJarlais was taped encouraging one of his four mistresses to abort his unborn child."
tinyurl.com/8ejnmfg |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:23:32 AM
Smagboy1
"I wonder if there are an abnormally larger number of atheists here, or if, what would make a lot more sense, the Internet allows people more opportunity to speak their actual mind"
Well, I think there are a lot more atheists. I think the internet is the free spread of knowledge and when knowledge spreads religion reseeds. People may be scared to admit they are atheists to others, and I absolutely agree with that, but I think they are perfectly comfortable saying they are atheists in anonymous polls. |
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6406 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:23:14 AM
Conservatives merely preach. They are the least compassionate people on the planet. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:20:18 AM
CrakrJak
"Really?"
Yes. Really. tinyurl.com/bvdatfs
"because you are a bigot yourself"
How so? About religion? I've studied religion. I've prayed. I spent almost a year going to church and bible study every week. I was a youth group leader. I gave religion a chance before I made up my mind, and my mind is still open to change.
"You on the other hand are not a God"
I'm as much a god as you are a cracker jack, or 5cats is a cat. |
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6406 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:17:39 AM
Information and it's ease of access is the beginning of the end for religion. |
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SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2734 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:09:33 AM
I wonder if there are an abnormally larger number of atheists here, or if, what would make a lot more sense, the Internet allows people more opportunity to speak their actual mind without fear of direct and very real repercussions from those who seek to impose their personal views on ALL of society. We're growing in numbers without even making an effort to do so because the real world, when actually engaged in and learned about, examined and tested is more amazing than even the most supernatural of tales from the minds of Bronze Age Fear Merchants. |
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SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2734 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 10:04:55 AM
papajon0s1, have people here been bashing Christians, or bashing Mullah Billy Graham for taking out a full page ad in a major newspaper, using tax-free money, by the way, to willfully and knowingly misrepresent the Bible (or, at the very least, interpret it in a way that is without any definitive justification) regarding the idea of "marriage", thereby discriminating directly against millions of taxpaying citizens of this country who've never done a thing to him or to other Christians. Is it NOT Christian bashing to call out hypocrisy, bigotry and hate. |
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6406 Posts
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Friday, October 19, 2012 9:58:11 AM
Billy Graham is a snake oil salesman. The world will be a better place when he dies. |
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