 Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2091 Posts
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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:03:00 AM
@auburnjunky
But your god commands there is only one god. If the Hindus have more than one god, it doesn't matter if one of them happens to be your god; they're worshipping other gods too, and are therefore doomed for it.
So I ask again: how is it fair of your god to doom millions of people to torture for eternity for the crime of being unlucky enough to be born into the wrong culture? |
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 An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
723 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 3:18:17 PM
"Mathematically it is almost certain that aliens exist, now whether there are ones that have been to our planet is certainly up for discussion. "
By the same logic, the vastness of space, it is almost certain we'll never see one. I'm sure I had to calculate this at college but I am not offering to repeat that now.
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:54:24 PM
I'm not even on Twitter so I really don't care. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2902 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:32:55 PM
AuburnJunky
""That last one will set you off."
It may surprise you to hear, but nothing really sets me off. I don't have an emotional response to any of the debates on here. I just like the intellectual discourse. I never get angry really about anything in life. My existence is far too charmed to get angry.
Another thing that may surprise you is that I have studied religion. I have read the bible 3 times cover to cover with a highlighter. I've read the torah, I've read the quran. I've read the book of mormon. I've read books on the major easteren religions. For a period of 9 months I went to church every sunday and bible group every wednesday. I even chaperoned a youth church group. My opinion on religion does not come from a lack of knowledge or a disinterest is it.
I'd be interested as to what evidence you have that god is real. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2902 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:30:45 PM
auburnjunky
"Kinda like Aliens. We don't KNOW."
The universe verges on infinite. By definition infinity means all things that are possible are. That means two entities like us somewhere in the universe are having the exact same conversation, verbatim, but they are wearing different shirts. Mathematically it is almost certain that aliens exist, now whether there are ones that have been to our planet is certainly up for discussion. |
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 auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:09:41 PM
Fair enough.
Kinda like Aliens. We don't KNOW.
I have faith through evidence that there are Aliens. I have faith through evidence God is real.
(Tee. That last one will set you off.) |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2902 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:39:10 PM
AuburnJunky
"God is real my friend, but I respect your opinion."
I fully accept that god's lack of existence is just my opinion. But please don't speak in absolutes as if you know for a fact that God exists. Your belief that God exists is just as much an opinion.
You BELIEVE God exists. I THINK he doesn't. I'm not saying I know I'm right. But it is not a "belief".
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:15:00 PM
@Musuko: I said I didn't know enough about it to make that call, and I also said I suppose Vishnu COULD be their equivalent, because it is their supreme being. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:13:30 PM
"Had you been taken to an island and raised without anyone teaching you about God you would still be an atheist today."
Or I would find God in the trees, or ocean, or flowers, or in my heart. Maybe I would feel him one day. Maybe I would see him in the sun or hear him in a storm.
God is real my friend, but I respect your opinion. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2902 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:34:11 AM
AuburnJunkey
"Those are the Christians", he explained. "They think they are the
only one's here"."
Funny joke. But perhaps they think they are the only ones allowed in Heaven because the bible specifically says so repeatedly.
"Yes. I can concur. "
OK. So if you concur that your belief is a product of where you are born then you are admitting that it is what you believe because it is what you were taught. Therefore it is NOT because you are "born a child of God, and I learn about him, and choose to follow him."
I don't know how you could possibly argue with the statement that you are "everyone is born an atheist". It is indisputable. The day you were born you did not believe in God. Had you been taken to an island and raised without anyone teaching you about God you would still be an atheist today. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2091 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:55:22 AM
@auburnjunky
From this:
"These religions (less so, Hindus) basically all worship the same God anyway"
I took this to mean you were saying that the other religions are worshipping the right god, and the Hindus less so...meaning the wrong god (or not as right). Thusly, if they're worshipping the wrong god, they're doomed.
Were you trying to say something different?
Incidentally, certain segments of Hinduism are polytheistic, which is COMPLETELY incompatible with the god of Christianity/Islam/Judaism. If someone is born into that system, how is that fair? |
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An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
723 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:30:02 AM
@HG "How does it glorify him to play a game well? " and "Let me be clear. I don't care WHAT his reason is."
Then don't ask stupid questions. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 5:41:21 AM
It reminds me of a joke I once heard:
A man went to heaven and was being shown around by St. Peter.
As they went from cloud to cloud they came to various doors which
St. Peter would open. One showed a large group kneeling on the floor. "Our Muslims" he said.
Next was a serious ritual. "Our Jewish persuasion" he replied.
Then another ritualistic service. "Our Hindus".
At the next cloud, he didn't open the door but instead put his
forefinger to his lips in the hush motion and they both tip toed
past.. Once past, the man asked what that was all about !?
"Those are the Christians", he explained. "They think they are the
only one's here". |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 5:37:41 AM
I never said that. How could you possibly take that from what I said.
The only reason I said Hindu less so, is because they worship multiple Gods.
I suppose Vishnu might be the Hindu equivalent of God. I don't know enough about it. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2091 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 5:15:59 AM
@auburnjunky
"These religions (less so, Hindus) basically all worship the same God anyway."
So if you had the bad luck to be born in India, and wound up Hindu by chance, you're doomed for all eternity?
Wow. Your god is a total c*nt. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 3:50:54 AM
"Can you admit that if you were born in saudi arabia you'd probably be a muslim, if you were born in india you'd probably be a hindu, and if you were born in tibet you'd probably be budhist? You'd also be JUST as sure that you were right and knew the truth about god as you are now."
Yes. I can concur.
These religions (less so, Hindus) basically all worship the same God anyway. That worship is based on their culture.
Sorry about my belittle and deride comment from earlier. Being a believer, and knowing I'm not stupid, puts me on edge sometimes. You don't know how frustrating it is to be called stupid, when I'm clearly not, based on a belief. |
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onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
1244 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:29:24 AM
A belief is mental event the was formed from a person who is made of atoms that are mostly empty space. Empty space that is contained within our 4 readily understood dimensions. 4 dimensions out of a quantity that might as well be limitless. Beyond four dimensions it becomes increasingly difficult to comprehend. At which point it is either ignored or denied existence. Perhaps this is where belief lies, beyond our understanding and within our grasp. |
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 ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
5510 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:28:04 AM
God just created infallible beings, then blamed them for roostering up, he is just a bad designer, like Apple |
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ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
5510 Posts
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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:24:25 AM
I am born of the god of V8 by the way |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2902 Posts
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Monday, October 08, 2012 11:36:57 PM
AuburnJunky
I love ya too man.
Be able to step out of the box though. From my perspective you can replace the word "god" with "tooth fairy" and the statement makes just as much sense to me.
"I am born a child of the tooth fairy, and I learn about her, and choose to follow her. You believe there is no tooth fairy. That is your BELIEF, and you are entitled to it."
Can you admit that if you were born in saudi arabia you'd probably be a muslim, if you were born in india you'd probably be a hindu, and if you were born in tibet you'd probably be budhist? You'd also be JUST as sure that you were right and knew the truth about god as you are now. |
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 nubblins
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
1580 Posts
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Monday, October 08, 2012 9:59:33 PM
Nice, AJ. "I know that seems weird, since the Athiest way is to deride and belittle."
Aren't you kind of judging all atheists in the process of saying their way is to deride and belittle? :\
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Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
189 Posts
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Monday, October 08, 2012 8:11:42 PM
It always astounds me how much people are afraid of numbers. Back when I was a clerk, there were specific combinations of small items that would come out to $6.66, and without fail people would buy something else to change the total.
Cause the devil would steal their Twinkies, or something. |
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 JaundiceCake
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
680 Posts
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Monday, October 08, 2012 7:55:12 PM
Auburnjunky, explain why autistic children and adults don't believe in God. |
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 geckohead
Female, 40-49, Southern US
310 Posts
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Monday, October 08, 2012 6:40:49 PM
BARF-O-RAMA |
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 ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2184 Posts
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Monday, October 08, 2012 6:28:00 PM
ugh we get it tebow, you're drating christian |
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