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The Current Cover Of The New Yorker Magazine [Pic]

Hits: 11944 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Funny | Added by: An-egg
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SavageChef
Female, 50-59, Western US
 1971 Posts
Monday, October 22, 2012 3:19:18 AM
Obama keeps blaming the USA cluster feck on that chimpy guy. Uhm, he left office four years ago. When will you start manning up and accepting responsibility for the current cluster feck?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:19:44 AM
OldOllie

That was an intelligent retort. I hadn't looked at it that way. Well done.

My response would simply be that I don't believe Obama necessarily has done this any worse. Look at a chart of the value of the dollar. It has been declining steadily for decades.

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1854 Posts
Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:49:49 AM
Romney is a Fool.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 834 Posts
Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:26:53 AM
@Idlerlee2 I would point you to the record of elected presidents.

Idlerlee2
Male, 18-29, Europe
 135 Posts
Tuesday, October 09, 2012 4:26:13 AM
If you people over the pond manage to elect Rommney... actually no, you can't possibly be that stupid

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12964 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 9:09:07 PM
HG, I would revise your statement as follows.

Blaming [the president] because gas prices have gone up [in the short term] is like blaming [the president] because the iPhone 5 is too expensive.

You are correct insofar as no president can control short-term commodity prices. However, what we are seeing here is a LONG-TERM TREND caused by erosion of the dollar.

Think of it this way: if you had all the money, you could buy all the stuff. If you double the amount of money without doubling the amount of stuff, you could still buy all the stuff, but it would cost twice as much. The govt. is printing HUGE amounts of dollars to finance $trillions in deficits. The Fed is buying up T-bills at ~1% returns with money they are creating out of thin air. That makes every other dollar in the world, concluding those in your pocket, worth that much less. That not the same is a refinery going off line or tensions in the Mid East; that's systemic.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 6:59:55 PM
"Your favorite polling company has a new poll out. Gallup Romney 47% Obama 47%, which is a 5 point bounce for Romney from their last poll."

I saw that this morning. I wonder why they have to do a side story on this. Why can't they just do a daily poll instead of a 7 day percentage (or 3 days in the case of Rasmussen)? Their numbers come in daily. They should put out a daily poll also. It gets very confusing especially since todays Oct 1-7 poll has Obama at 50% to Romney's 45%.

I wouldn't get too excited. Sitting presidents are known to blow this first debate. Romney still has a large hill to climb.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 834 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 1:35:21 PM
The only people who benefit from higher gas prices are the oil cartels and the government who tax it. It does not benefit the environment as if consumption really went down, then the prices would also go down. How do the people in California who can't get gas benefit?

How Does Gov. Brown releasing the winter blend (more polluting) to lower gas prices and avert a crisis help the environment?


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 12:39:36 PM
CrakrJak

"markust: Your favorite polling company has a new poll out. Gallup Romney 47% Obama 47%, which is a 5 point bounce for Romney from their last poll."

You do understand that that doesn't really matter right? Romney could be up 60% to 40% and still lose the election.

251 electoral votes are pretty much guaranteed for Obama. 181 for Romney. There are 106 up for grabs.

Romney needs 89 out of 106. If he loses Florida OR Ohio he loses. So it only matters what people in those two states think.

Remember how you support the electoral college? Remember that on election day.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1511 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 11:30:32 AM
What was that sound?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16734 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 11:08:59 AM
markust: Your favorite polling company has a new poll out. Gallup Romney 47% Obama 47%, which is a 5 point bounce for Romney from their last poll. Link

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 10:33:58 AM
AuburnJunky

"People are stupid. That being said, they can spend their money on whatever they desire."

Absolutely. I just don't want to hear them complain about gas. It is a pretty amazing deal in comparison.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1511 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 9:53:13 AM
Live within our means? What choo talkin' 'bout Willis?!


HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 9:33:47 AM
I also agree that the economy is improving; however, we must take into consideration the debt in any reasonable assessment. Allow me to offer an analogy:

Imagine that Joe is 25. He has $40k in loans from college, a $25k loan for his brand new car, a $250k mortgage, and significant credit card debt. If we disregard debt, then by all accounts Joe is doing very well financially. Afterall, he has a car, a house, a college education, and many nice things. Now, if we consider the debt, he is suffering.

My issue is that we CONTINUE to put our eggs in the "we can spend now because we'll be doing better later" basket. What happens if the economy does not improve at a significant enough rate to offset the increases in debt? What happens if the economy does not improve significantly at all?

Call me a cynic, but I would rather simply cut spending (live within our means) than find out.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 543 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 8:33:46 AM
How did the conversation get to gas prices over this photo? Either way, I agree presidents have ltitle to do twith gas prices; but you know darn well the press would go ape-crazy if this were a Republican president and gas prices more than doubled. That said, I may buy this New Yorker, just for the "BURN!" :)

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9877 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 4:08:28 AM
"People readily spend $5 on 20 oz of hot water run through ground coffee beans with some artificial flavoring mixed in."

People are stupid. That being said, they can spend their money on whatever they desire.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 4:06:49 AM
I will say for the record, that I like high gas prices. High gas prices are better for the environment. They are better for traffic. They encourage people to live closer to work and slow urban sprawl. They create a demand for new technologies and stimulate the development of alternative energy.

$4 to send 5,000 pounds of metal, cargo, and people 30 miles at 70 mph? Seems pretty reasonable to me. People readily spend $5 on 20 oz of hot water run through ground coffee beans with some artificial flavoring mixed in.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9877 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 3:22:09 AM
"Would you like to guess which president has the highest gas price on record?"

In California? ;)

I keed I keed. You can't argue that though. Who has the longest sustained period over $3? Obama CAN effect gas prices by the way.

Announce Keystone and expanded drilling, along with opening new refineries, and watch the price drooooooooooooop.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9877 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 3:15:56 AM
"is like blaming Obama because the iPhone 5 is too expensive."

About that.......

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:43:25 PM
OldOllie

"gas prices have more than doubled"

Here are some quotes from Fox News:
"No president has the power to increase or lower gas prices"
"Nothing to do with the president"
"Politicians can not do a thing about it"
"The next time you hear a politician say that he or she will bring down oil prices, understand that it is complete B.S."
Of course that was 2008.

tinyurl.com/6t7d6w5

Blaming Obama because gas prices have gone up is like blaming Obama because the iPhone 5 is too expensive.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:29:55 PM
CrakrJak

"HG: Sure our GDP has went up by $2 trillion, but it cost $6 trillion. That's a loss of $4 trillion compared with our debt."

You're talking GDP of one year but dept in all years. Does that seem like the right way to do it? Debt is cumulative year over year, GDP is not.

I don't attribute fiscal year 2009 to Obama. We've had this discussion before. Most economists agree on that fact. Fiscal year 2009 began under Bush, and Bush's budget and policies extended until Oct 2009.

So the national debt on Oct 1 2009 was $11.9 T. Today it is $16.2 T. That is $4.3 T on Obama's tab.

GDP 2009 (Attributed to Bush): $13.9 T
GDP 2010: $14.5 T (increase of $.6 T over 2009)
GDP 2011: $15 T (increase of $1.1 T over 2009)
GDP 2012 (estimate): $15.6 T (increase of $1.7 T over 2009)

So that is $3.4 T in GDP growth for $4.3 Trillion in spending.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16734 Posts
Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:00:00 PM
HG: Sure our GDP has went up by $2 trillion, but it cost $6 trillion. That's a loss of $4 trillion compared with our debt.

Think of it this way, You're bragging about a new car worth $20,000, but if that car cost you $60,000 then you've lost $40,000.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16734 Posts
Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:53:57 PM
markust: Too lazy to hit the delete key twice and get rid of the ")." at the end of Ollie's link eh?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:42:44 PM
"gas prices have more than doubled"

Would you like to guess which president has the highest gas price on record?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12964 Posts
Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:29:35 PM
HG, yes in some ways we are SLIGHTLY better off than at the worst of the recession, but not enough better off to brag about it. It's been slowest and weakest recovery since the Depression. Basically, all we really have to show for 4 years of Obamanomics is another $6 trillion in debt, thousands of expensive new regulations, and the looming specter of Obamacare scarring employers into complete paralysis. And while hourly earnings are up by about 7% (according to your figure), gas prices have more than doubled, and food prices are skyrocketing as well. Of course, those things aren't used to figure the inflation rate anymore, because they're "too volatile." I think the inflation rate is now based on flash drives, flat-screens, and flip phones.

And Obama's solution? Well, he thinks he can create more jobs by raising taxes on employers. When has THAT ever worked?


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