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Israelo-Palestinian Conflict - This Land Is Mine

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paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1706 Posts
Monday, October 08, 2012 7:29:32 PM
It took a long time to get the wool off my eyes on his issue, but this video is really glossing over a ethnic cleansing in our day and age like it's just the way it has been. That is completely inexcusable. For all of you blaming the Palestinians, you should be ashamed of yourselves justifying the loss and suffering of millions


jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 173 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:29:01 AM
Religion=Bad

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:38:52 AM
5Cats Jews can go everywhere they want, what i don't understand is why they want a JEW state whith jew people that fight or apartheid the"others non jew people" and that want mix religion with politic with nationalism and racial supremacy. If you want to be part of the world you have to melt in it, if you choice to be a particular part of the world, different from others( maybe proclaming your "racial superiority" by religion) then don't cry if someone hate you. This happen to jew people from more than 3000 years (hmmm...and asking yourself why?). They like to play the part of the victims( and in some case they have really been victims, i am not dening this)but in the history they have been also the persecutors, like nowaday, but they still like to play the part of the victims.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:36:14 AM
"YOUR"people? Cause you and your people are different(maybe superior?) from the rest of the world people?

@piperfawn: I guess you didn't check my link: Holodomor is when Stalin murdered 4-8 million people in his deathcamps. So yeah, the Mennonites and the Jews are "different" in that within the past 100 years they've been slaughtered, by the millions, by their own governments...

Then you link anti-semetic stuff from anti-semetic sites? Waste of time.

Jews have NO rights? NO homeland? Or should they go back to Poland where they belong?

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:17:10 AM
In a way, what they are doing still is a continuation of the 'No more Masada' mind set, which they also portray in modern day situations when for example Isrealites are being helt hostage in Isreal. It goes back to the revolution against the roman opressor back in the year 66.
Unfortunatly, what they fail to see is that they are not hust the opressed, but also the opressor. That the jewish people have a lot of cultures that seem to oppose them is not the same as opposing those that are affiliated with those cultures.

In a way, Isreal is behaving a bit like a schoolyard bully that is picking on someone smaller because someone bigger is picking on them.

Again, i understand them. I fear however, that they have to make the biggest step in clearing the air. What they are doing now is trying to erredicate the problem by trying to kill those that side with the problem.

the best way to get rid of an enemy is making him a friend. And this is something that Isre

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:07:36 AM
thank you for demonstrating what i ment crackrjack. you are right,people voted some terrible concpts into power, both in isreal and the Palastinians.. but among the palastinians themself there was a political strive. between Hamas and Fatah.west bank and Gaza. And the isreali politics made the strive go further by surpressing the palastinians. Which in turn makes the fundamentalistic Hamas gain in power and the more middle of the road Hamas lose ground.

The thing with polarization is that it creates bigger rifts between people, not bring em closer together. So Isreal can say that Hamas is the reason why they are so unforgiving towards the palastinians, and be right in what they say. And plastinians can blame isreal for reacting to harsly and with that give rise to organizations of Hamas and be right in what they say.

Someone needs to make a step towards peace first.

I understand the jewish reasoning why they arent making that step first, but i do not agree

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17189 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:51:44 AM
piperfawn: The palestinian population of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is 97% Muslim and 3% Christian - Wikipedia

Few, if any, Jews live in those areas and for good reasons.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17189 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46:23 AM
Modwain: Those people, palestinians, voted in Hamas and Hezbollah for their leadership. Neither of those muslim groups want peace, they want the extermination of Israel and all of the Jews.

If either of those muslim groups wanted peace all they'd have to do is stop firing rockets, kidnapping people, sending suicide bombers, causing riots and other violence.

You see some of the examples of their TV broadcasts, what they teach their children is totally horrifying, what their leaders command their people to do even more so.

It goes well beyond their leadership, because those leaders were voted in by the majority of palestinians.

Sorry, their attitudes and actions are just indefensible.

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:31:16 AM
Crackrjack, once again you oversimplify this.. the problem isnt the man in the street but the people thow lead, be it by 'popular choice' or the promise of violence to come. and this is on both sides of the fighting. Unfortunatly, this has gone on for so long that people cant remember how it was before it happened.
palastinians and Isrealites both want peace, but for both sides it means they must admit having been part of atrocities commited against the other side. And it seems that the leaders of both sides daren't come clean. Basicly it boils down to who stands up and is the bigger part by starting to own up for their past.
Unfortunatly, the conflict is still in a "yeah but you did this" fase.

What also doesnt help is that people who are not part of the conflict themself are siding with one of the participants, edging them on as you will.

So this conflict is both simple and conmplex. Simple cause the solution is right there, complex cause No on

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:17:56 AM
CrakrJak palestinians are not only muslims, there are lot of christians palestinians and also palestinians jews.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6068 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:12:26 AM
It's funny coz it's true.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1706 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 11:48:03 PM
This is total poo meant to confuse people. Brushing under the rug of history the crimes Israel commits today.

I wonder how people would react if a video was made like this in 1940's going through the hundreds of conflicts Deutschland has seen in its history, and ended it with Germans fighting Jews.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17189 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 11:32:44 PM
piperfawn: Post palestinian propaganda much?

The fact is Christians have an easier time living in Israel than in the palestine territories. The palestinians hate the Christians just about as much as they hate the Jews.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17189 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 11:23:11 PM
FoolsPrussia: The palestinians could easily live side-by-side with Israelis and many muslims do, peacefully. The problem is that the palestinians are Nazis, pure and simple. They may not wear the swastika but they are every bit as antisemitic.

The palestinians will never live peacefully with the Israelis because they don't want peace. Building on the supposed 'occupied territories' (Which I'd call rightfully conquered territory) makes no difference. The Israelis have already forcefully evicted Jews from the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights and there is still no peace. In fact it's became worse since then.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12337 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 10:42:50 PM
We should just dust off and and nuke the entire site from orbit. - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 8:41:18 PM
5Cats "Israel aknowleges the Palistinian state: Jordan! Also about 1/3 of Syria too... " so are you sayng that a brand new invading nation created out of nothing now can decide also where the inhabitants of a land must to go...oh yes maybe in another country. Interesting.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 8:31:11 PM
And if you think that Israel is only against muslim i have a news...you are wrong

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:58:20 PM
cause there is still this

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:54:57 PM
not finish yet

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:52:20 PM
want more?

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:47:43 PM
....this maybe

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:37:51 PM
and also this...

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:36:36 PM
Anyone who thinks that the Palestinians don't have legitimate gripes really needs to watch this Louis Theroux documentary from the BBC: Link here

The fact is that both sides contribute to the mess, and both sides are full of bigots.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:31:42 PM
Or this for example

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3890 Posts
Friday, October 05, 2012 7:29:06 PM
For your info 5Cats

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