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Mitt Romney's Cousin Was Kidnapped By Drug Cartel

Hits: 4652 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: DingDingDong
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ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10715 Posts
Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:00:08 AM
Bloke cant even spell America, and questions why jets don't have opening windows??? I despair

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:24:29 PM
"Nothing other than the will of the Mexican people will 'knock the legs out from under' the drug cartels. Legalizing weed won't stop the other drug trafficking going on, nor will it stop the human smuggling going on."

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think taking away millions if not billions of dollars of money from them would definitely knock the drug kingpins down a notch or two. Legalize cocaine also and they are almost done. Yes cocaine is a horrible drug but people know that. I don't really think anyone who is not doing it now would do it after it was legal. Pot on the other hand would have a brief upswing but things would settle down.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:20:22 PM
"At least Romney won't give you false hope and you know where he stands."

On one issue that I know of. Everything else I hear he is all over the place depending on the time and the audience. How many times does a campaign need to reboot?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16961 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:24:57 PM
markust: when Obama wins this election we will see a couple wonderful stance changes in him.


What you see is what you get, he's not changing anything, he had his opportunity to do so already and blew it all on passing Obamacare and raising our debt to $16 trillion.

All he's going to do after the election is play more golf, whether or not he's elected.

At least Romney won't give you false hope and you know where he stands.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16961 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:17:37 PM
markust: Nothing other than the will of the Mexican people will 'knock the legs out from under' the drug cartels. Legalizing weed won't stop the other drug trafficking going on, nor will it stop the human smuggling going on.

But the main problem is the black market demand, if people would quit doing drugs here and get sober there wouldn't be any profit in it.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:01:40 PM
'When the looming specter of the election is gone (when he wins this election) we will see a couple wonderful stance changes in Obama'

I hope this is true. There have been rumors that he plans to do something about the drug war. The problem is that he'll most likely still have to work with a Republican-controlled House.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:00:26 PM
"Obama's not going to legalize marijuana. I wish he would, but he would alienate too many ignorant Americans. Maybe in his last term he won't care as much and do the right thing. I hope so."

When the looming specter of the election is gone (when Obama wins this election) we will see a couple wonderful stance changes in him. That is why I think everyone in congress should have term limits.

JoexBro
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 381 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:48:56 AM
I vote for a motion to completely legalize marijuana while increasing the penalties on hard drugs. Besides the FDA approves drugs all the time just because some guy in a white lab coat made it. Meanwhile half those drugs that are supposed to help carry the worst side effects, including death.

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1504 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:43:24 AM
Obama's not going to legalize marijuana. I wish he would, but he would alienate too many ignorant Americans. Maybe in his last term he won't care as much and do the right thing. I hope so. (yeah, I assume he's going to win)

And I never understood the whole "medical" marijuana. Who cares if it's recreational or medicinal? Legalize it. It's like buying medical beer or medical vodka. We all know why people are using it. But it's their choice to make.

And enough with the "Bush did too" argument, yeah, they both sucked. It's such an immature argument.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:25:05 AM
"It is the DEA (or FDEA) and FBI conducting these (drug-related) raids, not the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)."

That was such a stupid mistake. I did mean DEA.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:15:55 AM
"At least Romney won't be a hypocrite on the drug war."

I agree, but he is such a square I believe he would make the situation worse. I also think we will see a completely different view from Obama in his second term. I think he will push for legalizing marijuana. It is the only sensible thing to do if you want to knock the legs out from under the Mexican drug cartels.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:14:18 AM
@markust123: The FDA only raids dispensaries that are breaking the local laws.

It is the DEA (or FDEA) and FBI conducting these (drug-related) raids, not the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). I have yet to hear of a case where the FDA conducted the actual raid, and if they have, the quantity pales in comparison to the number of raids conducted by the DEA.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:35:57 AM
@patch: Total agreement.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5708 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:26:07 AM
At least Romney won't be a hypocrite on the drug war.

Because he's never flip-flopped on anything before. But in this instance I'm inclined to agree with you.

@FP: I see your point, although the idea that you can stamp out drug use is one of the biggest ideological failures of prohibition. You can *never* stop people from wanting to use drugs. Alcohol prohibition proved it, drug prohibition continues to prove it. A better question would be why does the government manufacture a system whereby people who weren't supporting drug cartels are now supporting them? At least I know mine isn't grown in Mexico. BC bud FTW!

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16961 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:47:22 AM
madest: Still stuck on Bush aren't ya?

At least Romney won't be a hypocrite on the drug war.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:31:35 AM
@patch

I totally agree that prohibition only causes problems in this instance. However, there are lots of industries that operate unethically, based on the idea that people desire the product enough. Conflict diamonds are an example. You don't have to buy from conflict zones, but most people don't care or don't think enough about where they come from.

Of course a lot of this would be solved if we'd just let people grow their own plants. And of course, it's hard to expect most tokers to think about where their weed comes from, and the government can easily fix the problem by just legalizing it.

Another example is Afghanistan, where the Taliban makes money from poppy crops. People who buy heroin and other illegal opiates can indirectly contribute to the death of American soldiers.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5708 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:02:36 AM
@FP: That's more of a symptom. The market for pot was there long before it became illegal. Prohibition is the cause here. If it were never illegal then there never would have been a problem. Damn Anslinger.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:54:16 AM
The drug war is a joke and an abysmal failure. Pot needs to be legalized.

However, to be devil's advocate, I'd like to ask something else that I never hear discussed. Don't people who buy illegal drugs that come from Mexico bear at least some responsibility for the resulting problems as well? After all, the market wouldn't exist without buyers.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:13:52 AM
Pretty hypocritical of him to have not only inhaled, but also snorted cocaine through college yet still tell school kids to not do drugs.
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Could have said the same about Bush CJ.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5708 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:09:21 AM
@crakr: Dubya "went skiing" in college too, so calling Obama a hypocrite means little, although you are correct that he is one. What the US gov't doesn't understand is the concept of a sunk cost. All the billions they've spent keeping the immoral, ineffective drug laws in place is gone and will never be justified to have been spent. Cut and run, that's the only real solution.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16961 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:46:28 AM
I'm betting all you people that believed Obama would legalize marijuana, and voted for him because of that belief, are rather disheartened by the fact he didn't. Pretty hypocritical of him to have not only inhaled, but also snorted cocaine through college yet still tell school kids to not do drugs.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:49:02 AM
"If they're breaking local laws, then why don't the local police handle it?"

I have no idea. Here is an article from the California State Attorney's office. This shows them working with the Feds to go after dispensaries that are breaking the local laws.

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1504 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:10:57 AM
Interesting article on Obama's "talk" of scaling back the drug war:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/02/obama-drug-war_n_1643483.html

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1504 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:02:21 AM
@markust123 If they're breaking local laws, then why don't the local police handle it?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16961 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:25:51 PM
Andrew155: We don't control the poppy growing regions in Afghanistan, Tribal warlords do. They extort the farmers into growing poppies for them by kidnapping and intimidation. We've sprayed defoliant on the poppy fields, from planes, but then the warlords take it out on the farmers when the crops fail.

It's a horrible situation and unless we would be willing to chase down everyone of those warlords, across all borders, and compensate every farmer then the heroin problem in Afghanistan will never be solved.

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