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Ted Koppel: Fox News 'Bad for America'

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SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4066 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:21:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Koppel did NOT say that FoxNews was bad for America. He said that ideological "reporting" of the news is bad for America. Now, sure, he did say that FoxNews is guilty of it. But he acknowledged that MSNBC is, too (and they are).

Now, as for Obama being the "most divisive" president ever, who can guess who was before him? Guesses? Yes, right, it was Clinton! Remember, Slick Willy, Whitewater, Haircutgate, etc., etc. And, let's see, prior to Bill, who was it...let's see if I can remember...OH! Yes! It was Jimmy Carter!

So, let's see, what do they all have in common? Oh, yeah, they're ALL Democrats. So, are they the most divisive presidents in history, OR, are the people who vote for the dratnut party who opposes them, and bases their votes and beliefs on claims of values and patriotism and religious purity who are ACTUALLY the divisive factor.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:20:23 PM
When we talk about "Fair News" I think we tend to believe that now means "both sides of the story," but sometimes there is no "other side of the story" to be told. There's, "Just The Facts Ma'am", and then there's everyone who deviates from the facts.

When some crazy guy on the street mentions he thinks ice cream cures cancer there's no need to muster up a TV crew to go report on him to "balance the story." You point at him, laugh and move on and that's the end of it. You don't muddy the waters and provide cover for the crazies.

Rachael Maddow has impeccable journalistic practices, she posts all the content of her newscasts online so she can be corrected if wrong and she will correct herself on air. She fully discloses any links her network may have to a story now in the headlines and she makes clear the network does not tell her what to say or think. (1 more Cont).

mcmals
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 147 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:17:32 PM
Bill O'Reilly's such a douchebag

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4830 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:17:32 PM
DromEd

"And as far as radio is concerned, show me a left wing talk show that has more than 2 listeners. If the left could "sell it" Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Savage would have opposite numbers."

People on the left don't listen to talk radio. Talk radio is for old people, white trash, and truckers. Those people tend to be republicans. Liberals are at work or school or having premarital and/or gay sex. They don't sit around listening to fat, hypocrite, drug-addict, philanderers like Rush pontificate on "family values".

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1512 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:12:14 PM
Seams to me this just shows that the left doesn't feel as strong a need to be told what to think.


I can't even being to describe how predictable that response was.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4830 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:12:12 PM
QueenZIra

"Fox's staff are also free to donate their money to political candidates (Karl Rove and his superpacs immediately come to mind) whereas Olbermann was fired for exactly that @ MSNBC. "

I was just coming on here to post that same thing. Nicely put.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4830 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:10:30 PM
5Cats

"Obama is the most divisive PotUS EVER! Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush II ALL worked with the opposition at many points."

I could spend the next few hours siting sources, posting statistics, and sharing links that could show you how absolutely, beyond reproach, wrong you are. However, I have to work on a project today, so you only get one.

Markust already gave the Mitch McConnell quote. The other major indicator is filibusters.

Filibusters aren't tracked, but cloture motions are. There were never more than 82. The 110th filed 139, 11th filed 137, and 112th has already filed 109. The VASTLY overwhelming majority of those motions were filed by Democrats to block Republican filibusters.

That is clear indicator about of who hasn't "worked with the opposition".

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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:05:18 PM
Markust I amiably disagree with your view of MSNBC as just like Fox, or that they "keep their followers in a constant state of anger," etc. And this has nothing to do with the personal politics of the hosts or anything like that, it's just that the networks *are* significantly different.

For one thing, currently there are Fox employees who are simultaneously senior Romney campaign staff. They "analyze" their own campaign, not to mention Fox's staff are also free to donate their money to political candidates (Karl Rove and his superpacs immediately come to mind) whereas Olbermann was fired for exactly that @ MSNBC.

MSNBC doesn't have staff concurrently part of the Obama campaign and indeed that would go against their professional standards. There just is no equivalence between the two. (Cont).

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:00:10 PM
5Cats, what is with you? You seem to be waging some kind of disinformation campaign on here. I'm not talking about Conservative vs. Liberal views, which I enjoy debating.

No, I'm talking *facts.* You call Obama "the most divisive PotUS EVER!" The reality? One of Obama's biggest flaws has been a compulsive habit of trying to play nice with Republicans who have publicly vowed to do anything and everything to ensure that he fails.

Case in point: The Republicans refusal to confirm judicial nominees. Two years into his presidency, Senate Republicans had confirmed just 58% of Obama's nominees, a new historical record in partisanship obstructionism.

But go ahead, 5Cats: Call Obama "the most divisive PotUS EVER" and sprinkle some extra exclamation marks on it. ~sigh~

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4830 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:44:55 PM
CrakrJak

"Like Ted Koppel isn't a left-wing shill himself."

You think everyone who is left of you is left-wing. And considering how far right you are, that's pretty much everyone.

Let me ask you this, what are some issues that you disagree with republicans on and agree with democrats on? Are there any? You probably think I'm a leftist liberal, but there is tons of things I swing conservative on.

adamslily
Female, 13-17, Southern US
 29 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:37:31 PM
the kiss at the end blew me away. best rebuttal.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:01:43 PM
"Fairness Doctrine? Really?"

Yes really. Truth in journalism should not be too much to ask for.

"And as far as radio is concerned, show me a left wing talk show that has more than 2 listeners. If the left could "sell it" Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Savage would have opposite numbers."

Seams to me this just shows that the left doesn't feel as strong a need to be told what to think.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:54:53 PM
"Obama is the most divisive PotUS EVER! Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush II ALL worked with the opposition at many points."

You are full of absolute 100% sh*t 5Cats. The Republicans in congress had absolutely no intension of working with President Obama. "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President." That isn't from some obscure representative in the house. It was from Mitch McConnell the Senate Minority Leader.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24198 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:34:05 PM
Can't wait for Gerry1of1 or Ollie to comment on this.

@peakingo: @Gerry1's been scarce lately, let's hope he's coming back soon!

Obama is the most divisive PotUS EVER! Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush II ALL worked with the opposition at many points.
Obama? NONE! NEVER! "We Won!" And the MSM covers up and lies for him constantly.
When Obama goes down in flames in November (I hope!) the MSM is falling with him unless they toss him under the bus!
It will be interesting to see at which point they stop kissing his butt and start kicking it!

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1512 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:32:36 PM
Fairness Doctrine? Really?

Yeah, like there's no way for "the other side" (who ever you think that is) to get their point across to the public.

And as far as radio is concerned, show me a left wing talk show that has more than 2 listeners. If the left could "sell it" Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Savage would have opposite numbers.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16740 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:55:44 PM
Like Ted Koppel isn't a left-wing shill himself. He dodged every direct question put to him.


Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:16:12 PM
@Andrew155: You asked what the solution might be. Here's my 2 cents: This kind of divisiveness among the citizenry and on the airwaves was unknown when I was growing up, in large part because of the Fairness Doctrine, which was tossed out in 1987.

I say it's time to bring it, or something similar, back.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:36:00 AM
And the media has also silenced 3rd points of view. Ron Paul's treatment by FOX and the leftist news networks was dreadful. And Gary Johnson won't get any coverage, even though a recent poll had him at 6%. Debates are being silenced in favor of this two-party business that the networks seem content with.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:33:58 AM
Opinion media is definitely bad. Not only does it create divisiveness and create false narratives, but it feeds people talking points and hinders their ability to think independently.


But what's the solution? This is something I've thought about a lot. Nationalize the media? I would foresee major problems with that.

peakingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 687 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:19:58 AM
Can't wait for Gerry1of1 or Ollie to comment on this.

Baphxiii
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 62 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:03:15 AM
To quote Jane's Addiction...."The news is
just another show".

RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2421 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:46:04 AM
Bravo, Ted.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:28:42 AM
I believe opinion news (Fox News/MSNBC) is the worst thing to happen to America. The standards of journalism are truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability. These two cable news stations have thrown out the standards of journalism and ruined news forever. They have made it impossible for congress to work together by demonizing the other "side" and they are dividing the fine citizens of our nation. There are families and friends who no longer talk because of opinion media. What MSNBC/FoxNews, partisan radio and partisan blogs are doing is absolutely un-American. Journalism and news is not pushing multiple points of view repeatedly until they are burned into peoples heads. That is brainwashing. And it is accomplished by keeping their followers in a constant state of anger. Opinion media turns people into angry parrots. The sooner the brainwashed realize this the sooner we can start to repair this great nation of ours.

msflowerbutt
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:57:01 AM
He's not wrong.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:56:25 AM
'He seems to only implicate Fox. Bad form.'

No, he's criticizing Fox specifically because Bill's asking him about it. But he also says "I think that ideological coverage of the news, be it of the Right or be it of the Left, has created a political reality in this country which is bad for America."

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