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Barack, Keeping It Real On Pirate Talk Day [Pic]

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widjadidja
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 66 Posts
Friday, September 21, 2012 10:57:41 AM
did you happen to notice it was a picture from 2009? just wonderin...

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:27:06 PM
Your needle is stuck CrakrJak. Your trick isn't going to work though. A lie repeated enough time only becomes fact if it comes from a trusted source.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:24:51 PM
CrakrJak

"Sometimes graphs and numbers do not jive with reality. Me and my family's lives improved greatly after Reagan became president."

I absolutely agree with you. Numbers do not not always equate with experience.

Had you said "Things got better under Reagan" I wouldn't have argued with you. That is a personal experience and totally subjective. But that is NOT what you said.

You said things that are not open to interpretation or context. You said things that are fact based and your facts were wrong. Plain and simple. No matter how you spin it what you said is simply not true.

I enjoy debating with you. We will rarely agree but you usually add a reasonable counter point. However if it is impossible for you to admit when you are blatantly wrong I don't know what to say.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:18:12 PM


Just in case you don't believe me.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:12:08 PM
markust: And you won't admit that Obama has his head so buried in fundraising lately that he tells Netanyahu to buzz off, and allows a US ambassador to be killed. Obama is AWOL, off partying and sipping champagne with Jay-Z and Beyonce, while our embassies are attacked.

Btw, Obama tweeted that picture on the 19th, so it's not like Fox just dug it up to ridicule him.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:02:30 PM
HG: The fact is that you are far too young to remember what the Carter years were like.

There was a joke back then, Q: "How did JC Pennys get it's name?" A:"Because of Jimmey Carter, pennies are all you have left to spend."

I remember the gas lines, the 'misery index', stagflation, the factory lay-offs that never ended, widespread union strikes, bell-bottom jeans and the premiere of Star Wars.

I wouldn't dream of contradicting a WWII generation senior citizen about what it was like in the 40's nor would I contradict a Baby-boom generation senior citizen about what the 60's were like. So why are you insulting my intelligence, when I lived it?

Sometimes graphs and numbers do not jive with reality. Me and my family's lives improved greatly after Reagan became president. Reagan/Bush led the largest peacetime growth boom in American history.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:34:07 PM
Whatever CrackrJak. I caught you and two others repeating Fox News talking points (that turned out to be false) and you respond not by being humble, but by parroting more talking points. Kind of sad my friend. Or should I say kind of sad my Fox & Friends?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:00:04 PM
CrakrJak

Be objective here. Does that not seem ridiculous? If I said something FACTUALLY incorrect and you corrected me with verifiable data I would say, "my bad, thanks for pointing that out".

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:59:32 PM
CrakrJak

"There were changes, in fact many changes"

In his entire term? Absolutely. He got unemployment of 7.5%. It stayed that way for 9 months. Then it went up to 10.8%. Then it was back down to 7.4% for the 1984 election. He got unemployment back down to what he inherited. Obama has done that already.

But you said: "Reagan inherited a worse and different economy... unemployment over 10%", which was absolutely false.

When I pointed out that it was false you said: "The unemployment rate improved right after Reagan was elected, before he took office", which was absolutely false.

When I pointed out that it was false you said: "I was in my teens at the time, can clearly remember seeing reports of 10% unemployment"

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:21:56 PM
HG: There were changes, in fact many changes. If there hadn't been any positive changes Reagan wouldn't have been reelected 49 states to 1.

Doesn't change the fact that Obama has the worst jobs and economic record since Carter. As well as the only acting ambassador killed since 1979, while on his watch.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:07:49 PM
markust: Still doesn't change the fact Obama snubbed Netanyahu and continues too.

And even though his press secretary admitted the Benghazi attack was a terrorist act, Obama still says it was a protest against a stupid video, in a Univision interview.

He even said that he "can’t change Washington from the inside". That's a pretty good admission of failure right there.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:05:54 PM
CrakrJak

"I noticed your link only shows the 'civilian unemployment rate' and doesn't add in public sector unemployment or those that just gave up looking for work."

OK. But that would be across the board right? So it shows the same for before he was elected to when he was elected, to when he was president. No matter how you spin it there was absolutely no change when he was elected as you said.

"I was in my teens at the time, can clearly remember seeing reports of 10% unemployment, despite what your link says"

So I give you stats directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and instead of "guess I was wrong" you're going with "well 30 years ago I remember seeing a news report when I was a teenager"? Wow.

I have had 5cats and AuburnJunky be man enough to admit they were wrong, clearly that will never happen with you.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:54:35 PM
HG: I noticed your link only shows the 'civilian unemployment rate' and doesn't add in public sector unemployment or those that just gave up looking for work.

The same problem exists today, discouraged workers don't factor into the unemployment statistics. Only those looking for work do.

I was in my teens at the time, can clearly remember seeing reports of 10% unemployment, despite what your link says (and that was before Fox news even existed, so you can't blame them).

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:09:58 PM
markust123

"Really, you are caught red handed repeating Fox News' incorrect talking points and you are just going to move the goal post? Actually that is even funnier."

I just called him out on a verifiable, no doubt about it lie. Let's see him pivot to the deficit.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:01:22 PM
"Even if the photo wasn't recent he still attended a party with Jay-Z and Beyonce, rather meet with Netanyahu."

Really, you are caught red handed repeating Fox News' incorrect talking points and you are just going to move the goal post? Actually that is even funnier.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:57:44 PM
I was trying to be supportive Crakrjak. I'm sorry if that came across negatively. I hope your surgery did some good. Again I apologize if I came off as a jerk.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:53:41 PM
CrakrJak

"HG: The unemployment rate improved right after Reagan was elected, before he took office. Business reacts immediately to good news, and when Romney is elected you'll likely see the same effect take place. "

How can you say that? It isn't true. Not even close. Look them up, I've given you the link. Here are FACTS:

May 1980: 7.5%
Jul 1980: 7.8%
Sep 1980 7.5%
Nov 1980: 7.5% (Reagan Elected)
Jan 1981: 7.5% (Reagan Inaugurated)
Mar 1981: 7.4%
May 1981: 7.5%

Where is it that "Business reacts immediately to good news"?

I mean how can you come in here and just lie? I have given you the site to check the numbers.

tinyurl.com/3gss8qd

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:31:31 PM
markust: Even if the photo wasn't recent he still attended a party with Jay-Z and Beyonce, rather meet with Netanyahu.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:28:00 PM
markust: I'm not on the computer 'every waking hour', in fact I can only stand sitting in a chair for an hour or two because of my back, then I have to lay down. I refuse to take narcotics for pain, do not want to get addicted to them, so I take prescription ibuprofen, but that can do only so much.

I'm not going to explain my whole medical history, shouldn't have to. Suffice to say I can't work and doctors have told me so.

You may or may not have noticed I was absent from IAB for over 2 weeks late July & early August, that's because I was in the hospital, enough said.

HG: The unemployment rate improved right after Reagan was elected, before he took office. Business reacts immediately to good news, and when Romney is elected you'll likely see the same effect take place.


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:22:33 PM
markust123

BRILLIANT

Dredge reports something falsely.
Fox takes it and reports on it repeatedly.
The Conservatives on this site come regurgitate the talking point.
Keep it up troops!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:40:33 PM
"What's pathetic is that Obama has time to meet with a pirate, but he can't find time to meet with Ben Netanyahu." @CrakrJak
"Of course, this meeting was much, MUCH more important than meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu." @OldOllie
"ignored the prime minister of Israel to spend time with a drating pirate.... " @paco664

There is a little video today on the gay blog I read that made me laugh. It's funny to see how big of parrots some of the people on IAB are. What is funnier is the picture is from 2009 and Fox & Friends had to apologize for their hit piece that ran throughout their show yesterday.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:52:46 PM
"I was mistaken."

My faith in you has been restored with those three simple (yet so hard for some people to say) words.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5167 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:20:03 PM
auburnjunky

"I was mistaken. "

I appreciate that. Perfectly understandable. I think if you look at any economic factor today compared to the height of the recession in 2009 it has improved. Now whether it has improved enough or fast enough is certainly a legitimate debate.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10187 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:20:43 PM
I was mistaken.

What I got it confused with, was him saying if the economy doesn't turn around within 3 years, he doesn't deserve a second term.

Of course, whether or not the economy is turning around is conjecture. He will say it is, I say it isn't. Some say it isn't. Some say it is,

handimanner
Male, 60-69, Western US
 1912 Posts
Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:38:56 PM
It's about time he started serious talks with big business.

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