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Teen Jailed After LOLing On Facebook [Pic+]

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kingofall
Male, 30-39, Canada
 59 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:00:49 PM
@turdburglar. You do realise Europe is more than one country right? And pie was probably invented somewhere in the UK. I'm too lazy to look it up but we invented almost everything else.

mykunter
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2290 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:55:17 PM
OMG! I actually agree with madest about something!

The judge was totally out of bounds.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:20:06 AM
No she never lost her free speech rights. She was jailed for contempt of court but that's what they do to vulnerable people who can't afford a good lawyer. The judge was out of bounds ordering she remove her facebook page. He has no such authority.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3775 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:02:14 AM

I would gladly throw out the right of free speech, if that meant MacGuffin would have to shut her pie hole. (Or, being from europe, would that be a spotted dick hole?)

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13541 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:00:01 AM
You Americans really do live in some Orwellian nightmare state where you don't even recognise the self-contradictory Doublethink you've been brainwashed into believing, do you?


LOL! Next time you're in London count the cameras on the street..... Hows that whole banning of the topless photos of Kate going LOL!!

Keep wearing those star-spangled, rose-tinted glasses.


Yes and I see you've got the royal thunder khunt shades on!

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6206 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:45:16 AM
Lolling didn't get you sent to jail, Latreesha, contempt of court did.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:13:59 AM
How the hell can it both be "free" speech, and yet have "consequences"

Because she was free to say it...



What, you mean in the same way as those protestors form Bahrain that received draconian prison sentences for calling for democracy were "free" to call for democracy? Of course, it meant they had to serve life sentences in prison for doing so, but, you know, at least they were "free" to say it.

Keep wearing those star-spangled, rose-tinted glasses.

Vexys
Male, 18-29, Europe
 74 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:03:50 AM
As I understand it constitutional law is open to interpretation as most law is in many countries.

I'm willing to bet that the statement she made on her facebook page was seen as obscene and whilst may not be the main argument for her jail time (as others have pointed out, she was in contempt of court) it was the founding for the judge asking to delete her facebook page/acount

Vexys
Male, 18-29, Europe
 74 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:58:11 AM
All of that last post of mine is credited to a user called ConstitutionalLawyer on Reddit

Source

Vexys
Male, 18-29, Europe
 74 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:55:56 AM
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not from private actors. This means that if a private school or a private employer bans certain forms of speech, they are generally within their rights to do so.
Also, not all speech is considered “protected speech.” Certain kinds of speech such as libel, slander, obscenity, and "fighting words" are considered unprotected by the First Amendment and the government is given far greater leeway in limiting or restricting such speech. Other kinds of speech, like commercial speech and advertising, are protected but not as protected as political speech.
As for conceptualizing the First Amendment in general? Some key things to remember: the First Amendment protects the government from censoring your speech. It does not guarantee you a right to be a heard or freedom from the consequences of your speech. The government can't punish you for speech - your boss probably can.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1707 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:00:23 AM
@HalfPintRoo typing LOL doesn't necessarily mean she had no remorse for breaking the law and almost killing people. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. You're reading way too much into it.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1707 Posts
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:52:36 AM
CrakrJak, but the LOL comment didn't hurt others, except for maybe their feelings.

Can someone explain free speech comprehensively? It seems generally people use the free speech card when they want (agree with what was said) and don't use it when they don't want (disagree with what was said).

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2669 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:16:08 PM
This is a very popular misconception on the internet: Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom of consequence. No one has the freedom of speech to make threats, yell 'fire' in a theater, etc. Did the judge have the authority to prevent her from having a Facebook page? I don't know how the law books would interpret that. They can certainly order you to remove websites that are your own, I would think removing your own page on another entity's website would fall well within their jurisdiction.

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:02:36 PM
How the hell can it both be "free" speech, and yet have "consequences"

Because she was free to say it...

and it also showed that she had no remorse for breaking the law and almost killing people.

what is so hard about seeing that?

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2669 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:40:47 PM
"Asher said, "I didn't think LOL would put me in jail.""

LOL didn't put you in jail ya moron. DUI, hitting another car, then contempt of court for not following court orders put you in jail. Nice twist, but you're a moron.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:25:48 PM
A DUI is nothing to laugh about. Of course she has freedom of speech, but that only extends as far as not hurting others. She should've complied with the judge's order.

DFWBrysco
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 307 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:06:36 PM
Have people just suddenly lost their minds around here?

Of *COURSE* she has to comply with the judge's order - especially if he made it part of her sentencing (although admittedly, the article did not specify either way).

Does that make it constitutional or legal? Not necessarily... but that is when you get a lawyer, file an injunction and then file a challenge to the court's finding in an Appeals Court.

It sounds like this idiotic girl did none of that... she just didn't do what the judge ordered. For that, she should be held in contempt.

There is a right way and a wrong way to pursue things.... if you choose the wrong way, you can get bit in the @$$.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3775 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:02:09 PM

Macguffin - Maybe one day your angry internet words will solve Americas problems. Until then remember that America hates you too.

This isn't much of a free speech issue. Judges will always throw the book harder when a criminal shows no remorse for a crime. On top of that, she disobeyed the courts order. A few days in jail is a little slap on the wrist for her crime. I've got to take another shower now. It makes me feel dirty whenever I find my self agreeing with 5cats.

banjolegs
Male, 30-39, Europe
 176 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:48:23 PM
I think I'm with the Judge on this. but I'm not that convinced....

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:37:47 PM
Her facebook is not under court jurisdiction. Unless she was on probation or restraining order of some sort she does not need to comply to judges orders pertaining to speech. A good lawyer would've easily been able to do something about this for her.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:25:55 PM
What's worse? Drunk driving or drunk texting? There is freedom of speech in this country no matter what 5Cats claims. There's nothing she said that probably wasn't the truth. You can sober up and become apologetic. I didn't know the court could order you to shut down your Facebook account and I suspect they can't. We won't know until it's challenged.

YugureKage
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1211 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:09:39 PM
5Cats, couldn't agree more!

kitteh9lives
Female, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 1459 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:03:42 PM
MacGuffin, It looks like the UK has it's fair share of "petty bureaucrats you foolishly allow to exercise their petty and petulant power over you?" also.

watch what you

say on the

internet in the UK

freedom of speech can get you arrested there.

insane_ai
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 686 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:01:06 PM
The woman is a douche for driving drunk. The judge on the other hand needs to be severely beaten and told to shut up repeatedly while screming in pain.

He can piss off before, during or after re-reading the 1st amendment. Then piss off some more.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26307 Posts
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:57:34 PM
I think this arrogent little twat deserves two MONTHS in jail. That oughta smarten her up a little...

First Amendment? Not hardly. You cannot say things to a Judge with impunity. Telling lies under oath is not protected! No doubt she told the court all about "how sorry she was" and how "It will never happen again" but she's LAUGHING about it in public?
Refusing a Judge's order = contempt.
She's not in jail for what she said, she's in jail for disobeying a (presumably legal) Judge's order.

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