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Honey, You Didn't Build That

Hits: 7191 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: Funny | Added by: 5Cats
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HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 542 Posts
Monday, September 17, 2012 6:20:40 PM
5Cats: "As a result, LOWER tax rates INCREASED revenue! Rich people now pay A HIGHER PERCENTAGE than they used to!"

Higher than WHEN? Other than a brief period from the Reagan-Bush Sr. years (1988-1992) the top marginal rate hasn't been lower since 1931! Currently it's around half the historical average.

Clinton's increased tax rates occur in 1993, and the debt levels off within two years. In 2001 the rapidly shrinking debt reverses due to starting two new wars, drastically increasing government spending. Since then the top tax rate has dropped from 39.6% to 35% and the deficit has more than DOUBLED.

Oh, and no, we haven't had higher revenue PER CAPITA. Ignoring the "per capita" part and inflation is dishonest statistics.

But seriously, how dumb is it to reduce your income and increase your spending AT THE SAME TIME?!? Obama couldn't even end the tax cuts without the Republicans holding congress hostage.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 542 Posts
Monday, September 17, 2012 5:39:05 PM
5Cats: "HOW can I take it "out of context" when I LINKED THE WHOLE GODDAMN SPEACH!"

Because when you quoted part of it, you quoted a pronoun, but not the nouns it referred to, which was in the previous sentence!

It's like if the quote was, "Steve is an idiot. Bob knows he's an idiot." and you only quoted, "Bob knows he's an idiot," without ever referring to Steve, so that the quote makes it look like Bob's talking about himself!

At the very least you should have written, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that (the roads and bridges)." But no, you left out that important context, which is the DEFINITION of taking something out of context!

And yeah, I must be "insane" for thinking that tax cuts (i.e. decreased revenue) would lead to a deficit. Clearly the two are unrelated. (eyeroll)

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24384 Posts
Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:36:29 AM
@HiEv: HOW can I take it "out of context" when I LINKED THE WHOLE GODDAMN SPEACH!
OF COURSE he's talking about infrastructure and stuff, BUT he's using it as a call to RAISE TAXES on ALL businesses! Disgusting!

Oh dear Lord: When the "tax rates" were 90%? There were SO MANY LOOPHOLES you could drive an armoured car through them!
When rates were lowered, many loopholes were closed!
As a result, LOWER tax rates INCREASED revenue!
Rich people now pay A HIGHER PERCENTAGE than they used to! And a higher PROPORTION as well!

To blame Obama's 50% INCREASE IN DEFICIT on "tax cuts" is INSANE. Also: Obama continued those cuts, HE SIGNED THEM TOO!

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 542 Posts
Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:25:08 AM
For reference, during and post-WWII, the top marginal individual tax rates were around 90%. In 1964 Kennedy reduced that to 70%. Reagan lowered it to 50% in 1982, and then down to 28% in 1988. He also slashed programs that maintained the US infrastructure. So in a matter of 24 years, the top income tax dropped to under 1/3rd of what it started at.

Under Clinton we managed to get it up to 39.6%, finally reversing the growth of the US debt, but then Bush Jr. knocked it down to 35% and managed to nearly double the US debt.

Low taxes sounds nice, but when it's so low that it leads to an underfunded, debt-ridden, nonfunctional government, then taxes need to be raised.

And as I pointed out above, we're still at a small fraction of where the income tax levels have been in the past, and it's illogical to think we can keep lowering them forever. We need a reasonable level, and that level fluctuates.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 542 Posts
Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:08:16 AM
@5Cats: What are you, Captain F'ing Obvious here? OF COURSE that wasn't all that he said, but that particular line is the bit that people keep taking out of context. The same context that you removed when you quoted it yourself!!!

The idea that we live in a society and we get along with help from each other is nothing new. Mitt Romney has said the same thing.

As for taxes, hell yeah people need to pay higher taxes! Republicans have been cutting taxes for decades, and have been pushing the US into ruin and debt. Bridges are crumbling, programs that are the building blocks of US strength such as education and research are underfunded, the US National Debt is in the TRILLIONS (~$16 trillion).

The Republican plan makes things worse by cutting taxes on those who can most easily afford it, while INCREASING taxes on the middle class. That only serves to make the rich richer and the non-rich poorer.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10224 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 4:05:18 PM
If, in theory, every person can make an A, it's not compitition.


Yet tie games do occur in sports, yet sport isn't competition?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10224 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 3:11:42 PM
and how is that the "B" person's fault? Why should they be punished?


That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying there's competition somewhere. But I suppose as MeGrendel puts it that's just the business world being competitive. No good student should be punished for his good grade while everyone else did pooty.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4320 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:14:52 PM
Cajun247-"The person with a B would have a higher GPA thus more likely to be employed as opposed to someone who made a D. "

That just means the business world is competitive.

In the class, the person who made the D was not competing with the person who made the B. Each individuals' score is not dependent on anothers.

An individual does not have to 'beat' another to get a higher score. He/she just must know the subject matter.

If, in theory, every person can make an A, it's not compitition.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24384 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 11:06:35 AM
@cajun: and how is that the "B" person's fault? Why should they be punished?

Grades are like golf: You get a hole in one? (A+) it in no way stops the other "players" from getting a hole in one also! So they triple bogey (F)? YOU should score 3 (B) because of that? NO! You score a 1 and say "that was fortunate" and "all that practice paid off!"

NOT according to Obama, the "Golfing President" himself!
HE thinks the foursome should all add their scores together and divide them equally at the end! After all, YOU didn't build that golf course, or that school, so YOU don't deserve any higher marks than anyone else.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10224 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:04:11 AM
And this is competitive with a person making a B how?


The person with a B would have a higher GPA thus more likely to be employed as opposed to someone who made a D.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4320 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 9:04:07 AM
Cajun247-"As far as school I'm at is concerned, you can only retake a course if you make a D or worse."

And this is competitive with a person making a B how?

Ozmose-"You've somehow painted yourself a very complex picture of my life, based little to no information."

I can only go based on what you posted. And based on what you posted it can be deduced that: 1) you work a job with crappy pay & 2) you, for some reason, blame 'rich people' for this fact.

Ozmose-"Know your place."

Know your responsibilities, and quit blaming your crappy life on 'rich people'.

Ozmose
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 441 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:27:17 AM
@MrGrendel

You've somehow painted yourself a very complex picture of my life, based little to no information.

So let's get this straight. You've managed to zero in on my entire work life.

Without any knowledge of . . .
Who I am.
Where I live.
What I do.
My level of education.
My career history.
Or, any of my personal habits.

So, now it's my turn to read into your post.

You're either a retarded version of Sherlock Holmes, or you're simply living up to the stereotype everyone imagines when they read "Male, 40-49, Southern US".

Know your place.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24384 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 9:42:53 PM
"If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. - B.H.Obama"

Complete Text From The White House

I don't think the White House itself is a "right-wing" source, OK?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24384 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 9:40:53 PM
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Video of the key part

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24384 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 9:39:59 PM
VV @HiEv: Obama said a LOT more than just that! He rambled on and on about it!
What was the spirit of the message?
You Didn't Build Your Own Buisness Without Government Help.
Therefor you should pay higher taxes.

Period!

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
con't

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 542 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 9:27:35 PM
@5Cats: "So, what DID Obama 'actually mean' eh?"

You've already been told what he actually meant, but since you asked me, I'll tell you what the White House said. Again.

Obama said, "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that." This was poorly worded, but according to the person who said it, the "that" referred to the "roads and bridges" in the previous sentence, and NOT "business", as so many conservative extremists insist.

Plenty of people want to simultaneously say that they can read Obama's mind and therefore know that he didn't really mean "roads and bridges", while also crowing how stupid their interpretation sounds. However, how stupid it sounds, coming from the well educated Obama, is a strong reason to disbelieve their claim.

If Republicans want to build a platform on lame distortions of the truth, then they'll lose any moderate votes.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10224 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 6:51:17 PM
To clarify, you actually can retake any course at any time. It's just that a letter grade above a certain threshold prohibits substitution.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10224 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 6:10:12 PM
Grades are not 'competition'. The person making an 'A' is not competing with the person making a 'B'.


I doubt that very much, in fact when it comes to college grades ARE a competition. As far as school I'm at is concerned, you can only retake a course if you make a D or worse. So in reality someone could finish his degree with too many C's and still graduate, but would have a tough time finding a job.

MrLill
Male, 18-29, Western US
 359 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 6:10:02 PM
This doesn't really apply to the message they are trying to make. What should represent the message is the number of popsicle sticks used. Maybe if she had 20,000 sticks to use while the kid with the F only had 1 to build with. then check the grades. futhermore to get a higher grade she could give away some posicle sticks she has, which takes from the others, to someone to build it for her and she gets credit. moral of the story shouldn't be about grades because some people aren't born with all the tools given to them for the best opportunity.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4320 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 4:19:03 PM
NNoamfer-"Of and the grade thing, Finland is proving to us that it's drating stupid. School should not be a place for competition"

Grades are not 'competition'. The person making an 'A' is not competing with the person making a 'B'.

Grades are a marker of your progress. That is all.

If Grades were a compitition, you'd get rankings like 1st through whatever the class size is, and dictate that only the top 25% passes.

It's entirely possible for everyone in a class to pass with straight A's. That's not compitiion.

The entire 'you will inhibit Johnny's individuality if you hurt his self-esteem by giving him a failing grade' crap is pure bullsheet.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4320 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 4:13:05 PM
Ozmose-"Enjoy your laughs now rich people. Your prices keep going up and my pay doesn't budge. Just wait till the day I can no longer afford food and shelter for me and the people I love. When you look at me you see some poor sucker scraping by on your crap wages."

So, 'rich people' made you such a crappy worker that you receive 'crap wages'?

'Rich people' made you such a lousy worker that you do not receive a budge in your pay?

Exacty how have 'rich people' made you where you have no marketable job skill?

Exactly how is your failure 'rich people's' fault?

Here's a clue: Instead of staying home watching TV and swigging beer, try to improve your skills where you can ask for more pay.

Try asking your boss if there is any training you can volunteer for that will make you a more valuable employee.

Face it, undoubtably the level of your work is not worth much.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 3:34:29 PM
Applied for everyday life? The problem is, that what he said didn't even apply to such situations in the first place. It's simplifying. They get paid tax money for certain things, they hire workers to do their jobs. They don't do it on their own.

Of and the grade thing, Finland is proving to us that it's drating stupid. School should not be a place for competition, it should be a place for learning.

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2573 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 12:54:34 PM
Ok, you guys are just plain ignorant.

You did NOT build our roads or infrastructure as Obama was referring to in that quote that everyone demonized(unless you were part of the union construction crew). So his comment was correct, 'You didn't build that!', talking about taking our taxes to pay for public construction

But yeah, continue talking out your butt, go ahead. Just makes you look stupid and your breath stink

Ozmose
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 441 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 12:19:04 PM
Enjoy your laughs now rich people. Your prices keep going up and my pay doesn't budge. Just wait till the day I can no longer afford food and shelter for me and the people I love.

So take note.

When you look at me you see some poor sucker scraping by on your crap wages.
When I look at you, I'm doing ballistic calculations in my head.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5689 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 12:17:18 PM
"CreamK-"health costs per person goes way down with universal healthcare"

Totally false statement."

Government funding of health care per person (2004): Canada $US 1,893. US $2,728.
Source.

Now this is not to say that switching from your current system TO universal would mean a drop in expenditure per person, but countries that have had universal care for a while consistently have lower cost than your system. So it's not "Totally false," it's just not worded properly.

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