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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
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Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:35:18 PM
So... they're saying that the planet has warmed up about 3 degrees since 1880? I wonder if they ever stopped to think that maybe the devices used to measure the temperature back in 1880 might have been a bit less accurate than today's... hmmm.....
Bazinga science!
Yeah. I'm pretty sure they thought of that. |
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 UDUMASS
Male, 30-39, Canada
61 Posts
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Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:58:38 PM
So... they're saying that the planet has warmed up about 3 degrees since 1880? I wonder if they ever stopped to think that maybe the devices used to measure the temperature back in 1880 might have been a bit less accurate than today's... hmmm.....
Bazinga science! |
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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11693 Posts
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Saturday, September 15, 2012 9:23:33 PM
What Quackerjack is trying to say is he's going to pretend there's no problem so that better people can make all the sacrifices instead of him.
Ouch. Zing. |
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 Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3542 Posts
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Friday, September 14, 2012 9:21:28 PM
@Madest: Thanks for that link. I hadn't seen the article before and it was well worth reading. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17442 Posts
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Friday, September 14, 2012 9:15:08 AM
Actually that was me. Someone's gotta watch his back and clean up after him.
Oh, no worries @davymid! I thought it was unusual, he usually leaves them up. Once you've gone through the effort of posting, might as well leave it there, eh?
Plus I think he enjoys a little abuse now and then... |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6652 Posts
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Friday, September 14, 2012 4:27:01 AM
What Quackerjack is trying to say is he's going to pretend there's no problem so that better people can make all the sacrifices instead of him. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6411 Posts
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Friday, September 14, 2012 3:57:06 AM
Here's why republicans refuse to believe the science. And they consider liberals the dummies... |
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 ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
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Friday, September 14, 2012 12:28:09 AM
kinky_afr0
Its always freezing in Scotland aint it? |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3542 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:02:38 PM
@CrakrJak: CrakrJak, every other word out of your mouth is inaccurate. I haven't decided if you're a pathological liar or simply have a screw loose. Fortunately, 98% of the readers of the site have come to the same conclusion, so I really don't feel I need to press the point.
Tell us again how the hockey stick chart's data "came from just 3 trees, that's all, just 3 trees." Or how "most of the carbon in a barrel of crude oil is refined out of it." Or how petroleum coke (as opposed to *coal* coke) is used in the manufacture of steel. Or how volcanoes dwarf man's CO2 emissions (when exactly the opposite is the case). Or any of those other charming nuggets you like to repeat. =^.^=
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14458 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:57:37 PM
Squrlz: It's one thing to misread data, It's quite another to outright use "Tricks" and "Hide" the data like Mann and his ilk have done. The GISS model predictions were off far far more, by a factor of 100% to over 300% higher than what the actual temperature is today.
The 2000 GISS models predicted that the 'worst case', if we did nothing to lessen CO2 levels, We would be over +1.0 deg. C above normal average in the year 2012. Well it's 2012 now, and we are holding at a running average of around +0.2 deg. C above average, which is nothing to be worried over.
The sky isn't falling chicken little, sorry to break that news to you. |
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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11693 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:54:50 PM
Hahahaha! @FancyLad deleted his double-reposting of this!
Actually that was me. Someone's gotta watch his back and clean up after him. He's even more functionally retarded than I am, and that's saying something. |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2984 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:50:49 PM
Squrlz: I've participated in a few of those as well, though you're more knowledgeable than I am about the finer scientific details. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14458 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:42:52 PM
Squrlz: Rush called him that, Not Spencer himself. Your "self-described" claim is a lie, surprise surprise. You are also basing your criticism of him solely on what some older satellites recorded. Even so, the corrected data does not agree with the higher land-based measurements. The Aqua satellite does not have the discrepancies of the older satellites. Dr. Spencer still works for NASA and his research is still funded by NASA, NOAA, DOE and the DOT.
Davy: Climatologist Patrick Michaels defended Spencer, arguing that his religious beliefs have nothing to do with his climate change research.
The reason the satellite measurements are more important is because there are a lot fewer thermometers out on the ocean (on buoys) and the earth is nearly 2/3rds water. You can't base 'global' temperature solely on land measurements because you're missing 2/3rds of the earth. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17442 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:20:14 PM
Hahahaha! @FancyLad deleted his double-reposting of this!
The Earth has been warmer than now.
The Earth has been colder than now.
IT MUST BE HUMAN ACTION THAT CAUSED IT!
There's simply no other explaination!
Colder during the Ice Age? = humans!
Hotter during the Dinosaur age? = humans!
Oh wait, I thought AGW didn't believe in Creationism, or ID, like @davymid said...
Hummmm... NOPE! Still = humans did it! |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3542 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:13:19 PM
@FoolsPrussia:
Not that it will make a difference to Crakrjak...
You're right, I'm sure. For over a year now, CrakrJak and I have participated in this bizarre ritual where he comes onstage and lets fly with all sorts of nonsense about global warming and then I dutifully appear, Pooper Scooper at the ready, to clean up after him.
It's a thankless task, but somebody's got to do it. |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3542 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:09:07 PM
@FoolsPrussia: High five!... down low!... too slow! =^.^= |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2984 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:06:53 PM
Not that it will make a difference to Crakrjak... |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2984 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:04:41 PM
Squrlz got to it before me. Nice explanation of the satellite issue. |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3542 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:55:49 PM
(Cont'd)
As incredible as it may seem, the esteemed Dr. Spencer of NASA neglected to calibrate the data for the orbital decay of the satellites: meaning, the satellites' orbits had fallen appreciably (as predicted); the readings which were taken at a lower altitude had to be converted; and Dr. Spencer, for years (!), forgot to do the conversion.
This is not a point of debate. It is a matter of public record; it is a colossal blunder that Dr. Spencer himself has admitted to.(Link)
Once the satellite data was corrected, what did it show? In agreement with the land-based measurements, the Earth *was* warming. D'oh!
So, yeah, Dr. Roy Spencer: FORMERLY associated with NASA, now the "Official climatologist of the Rush Limbaugh Show." (And, lest we forget, the favorite climatologist of CrakrJak.) |
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 Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
611 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:54:15 PM
I'm no expert ... but that doesn't even look remotely accurate. Are the colors suppose to indicate rate of change and not hot/cold as the colors imply or something? If not, why are areas of the arctic circle the same temp as the equator even "before global warming"? |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3542 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:36:39 PM
@CrakrJak: You're so ill-informed about Roy Spencer, the self-described "Official climatologist of the Rush Limbaugh Show" (that's not a joke, folks: link is here), that it makes me cringe.
Yes, Spencer *was* associated with NASA. I can assure you, that is a connection that NASA would do *anything* to go back in time to undo. Why? Because Spencer committed one of, if not THE, biggest gaffes in climatology history. For over two years, he insisted that NASA's own satellite data was showing that the Earth was not warming, when all the land-based observations indicated it was. Millions of research dollars, and countless research hours, were spent trying to unravel this mystery.
Finally, a colleague audited Dr. Spencer's research and it was found he was misreading the satellite data. Whoops!
(Cont'd) |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3542 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:13:18 PM
@TheGuySmiley: Forgive me for asking this, but is that a serious, non-snarky question? I ask only because there are so many uninformed, pontificating people on here charged up with propaganda that it's rare to see someone ask a serious question with the intent of learning.
If you are seriously looking for my thoughts, that would be refreshing. Most of the time the subject of AGW comes up, I'm forced to expend virtually all my time putting out fires of misinformation. So let me know if the question's for real. I don't want to write a short essay only to find the question was being asked facetiously. Thanks! |
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 TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
1222 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:17:04 PM
Squrlz4Sale: climate wars is also a video on youtube (3 parts)
But what can we do about all this? |
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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11693 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:56:49 PM
Crakrjak, I just went and looked up your guy on Wikipedia. I promise, it was out of good intentions, I thought, "Oh, a legitimate, credible, real scientist finally, I'd like to see some of his work!"
Only to find out he's also a Creationist and ID supporter. I was genuinely disappointed. Ah well, maybe next time. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14458 Posts
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Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:57:27 AM
mesovortex: Spencer's graph actually has more data points and a 13 month average. Squrlz graph is indeed a section of Mann's 'hockey stick' has fewer data points and a 5 year average.
The GISS predictions were separate from either graph. I'm afraid you are either aren't reading what I typed very well, or just in denial.
GISS are computer models to predict the future, unfortunately people don't realize this fact and sometimes use them, instead of actual temperature data, to claim that global warming is real. |
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