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Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

Hits: 5638 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: patchgrabber
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Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1759 Posts
Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:58:13 AM
The real reason? Religion. Scientists (Real ones) have no use for it.So tax it. Believers would have to pay.that's why no scientist politicians in America,no money in it.

Muert
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 141 Posts
Friday, September 14, 2012 8:44:11 AM
patch:

xkcd purity

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:55:52 PM
@Ollie: That last line about econ made me lol, nicely done. And engineers aren't scientists either, it's just applied mathematics.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11716 Posts
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:59:24 AM
Just for the record, Todd Akin, the Republican candidate for senate in Missouri of "legitimate rape" fame is an engineer. I'm just sayin'...

BTW, economics is a "social science," i.e., not real science. Everything there is to know about how the real economy works is taught in the first 2 semesters. Everything after that just teaches you how to f*** it up.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:00:52 AM
@Thonious: I wonder how many people recall that economics is a science, not a cult.

Economics is the *science* of telling you tomorrow why what you did yesterday didn't work today.

That being said I at least applaud economics majors for going into politics, because that skill set is at least relevant to big decisions that person would make.

baradhili
Male, 40-49, Australia
 153 Posts
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:03:34 AM
damn.. where is the like button :)

Fancysucksss
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1051 Posts
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:52:06 AM
I really hate my country. It's all backwards and most of the population sticks their asses out to get drated with non factual bullpoo stories everyday. It sucks that we can't be invaded by really super smart folk to straighten us out...
Come on aliens

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 730 Posts
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:02:49 AM
Religion. That's why you have idiots running your country. The article said it correctly, if anyone in the advanced economy leaders start talking about dinosaurs and humans living together, he would be ridiculed to resign.. In the US they get elected. Again in my personal parallel universe every politician should have at least bachelor degree in economics/political science/sociology or other degree in a field that is directly related to their responsibilities.. We need a healthy does of layman presentation of course but i would say at least 50% of the politicians should receive some kind of education on the task at hand...

But since USA has declared a war on facts, education and common knowledge, this fits right in to the profile.

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2552 Posts
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:29:19 AM
Agree completely with the article and Coyoteking's comment
Not sure what is so hard to grasp for our representatives about 'Seperation of church and state' but I would like to see all politicians canned for bringing up his/her religious beliefs inside of any statehouse.

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56:17 PM
why don't we have science based leaders in america? because there is actually a separation between science and state instead of the supposed separation of church and state that CLEARLY doesn't exist in US politics.

ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2302 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:35:24 PM
why because america is drating stupid,

Thonious
Male, 40-49, Western US
 888 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:33:16 PM
I wonder how many people recall that economics is a science, not a cult.

cyborg
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 2799 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:16:29 PM
or how about anyone smart? doesn't have to be science, just have some logic

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:15:38 PM
Scientists are also used to the game of politics, at least in academia, where you must learn to play that game if you want to get anywhere.


True, but they don't usually *like* doing it enough to want to make a career out of it.

I think another reason, one that I haven't seen stated, is that scientists don't generally prefer to choose answers that will make themselves look good for a very limited period of time, i.e. the next election. Short-termism is hardwired into democracy because the primary goal of a politician is to be (re)elected.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10114 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:52:15 PM
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
Those guys were scientists

But I think scientists and engineers would prefer science and engineering over politics.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:52:29 PM
@OldOllie: Haha, no I'm not. I'm just wondering why those professions can get elected but natural science majors don't. After reading this article I checked my own country and I think it might even be worse. Of course I had to go through each member of our House's profiles (but not all because after 60 or so I got the picture) and found virtually none with science degrees. Just like the US, it's mostly lawyers, businessmen, doctors with the odd engineer and economist thrown in there.

Ever try to get a religinut to vote for a scientist?

Agreed, it's not easy, but religion plays a *much* smaller role in our politics than it does yours, and we have the same situation.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11716 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:52:17 PM
This doesn't make sense, because what overlap in skills do doctors, farmers, and engineers have? Those are all professions of people in politics.


Are you holding up our current state of affairs as an endorsement of their governance skills? LOL!

GhettoNinja
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 889 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:12:46 AM
Ever try to get a religinut to vote for a scientist?

It's like trying to get a scientist to go to church.


Everytime I say what I am about to say, I get bashed for being "a commie" "unpatriotic" "traitorous" and such.


The Chinese government while still not the most humanitarian, have implemented several policies that I think the US should adopt.

Keep religions out of the government, if they want to have "religious freedom" then they will abide by laws set forth in this land. No more cults no more splinter groups that do what they want. No more child brides, no more polygamous mormons, none of that trash. Don't like it? Then you are invited to leave.

Family size restrictions. We don't have any population control strategy in place. Why? 7.5 Billion people aren't enough? We need to relieve the pressure mankind puts on this planet. Now.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:51:43 AM
@Kain1 and @patchgrabber, I was just going off what I have seen in the tech industry. Didn't mean to assume one thing about a group of people from what I have observed about another group.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:49:18 AM
There is very little overlap in the two skill sets.

This doesn't make sense, because what overlap in skills do doctors, farmers, and engineers have? Those are all professions of people in politics.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11716 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:46:07 AM
markust, I think you nailed this one. There is very little overlap in the two skill sets.

That might explain why Singapore is essentially a police state.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:34:09 AM
@snider: I'm not just talking about PotUS, this article is talking about your house and senate.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:33:38 AM
Because very few scientists have the social skills needed to manage people in the government.

I don't really buy that one. Researchers have to run whole labs, or even institutions. The director of my institution has a Ph.D in biochemistry, and she manages many, many people. Scientists are also used to the game of politics, at least in academia, where you must learn to play that game if you want to get anywhere. Now it's possible that running a constituency is different, but I believe the skills are transferable.

it is much easier to manipulate via twisting words (lawyers) than by stating facts (everyone else).

I think this is more likely. Journalists and regular people want immediate answers to problems, even if those answers are BS. Scientists aren't good at immediate answers, because we want to gather evidence and then make a decision.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:31:07 AM
@insane_ai: wat?

That made no sense, and suggests that you don't understand what science is all about, or how it functions..

Science is about basing logical inferences around empirical facts, then testing those inferences rigorously to make sure they hold true in the real world. Those tested inferences become facts themselves after passing every test we can throw at them. Repeat. That's it.. That process is what brought EVERYTHING useful that exists into to the world. Some scientific thinking is sorely needed in the American government.

@markust123: That's mostly just a stereotype..

snider029
Male, 18-29, Canada
 21 Posts
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:30:22 AM
The obvious answer. Most scientists don't believe in God. If you don't believe in God you ain't allowed in the white house.

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