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Republican National Convention Sham 2012

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FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 3:12:48 PM
'The simple fact: Two Amendments, both getting booed.'

Here is your original post that I was correcting: 'And this is different from the Democratic Voice vote on returning God to the platform how?'

You then broke it down by amendments, clearly sticking to your guns that they were booing the God amendment.

How do I know that the disagreement was over the Jerusalem issue? Because it's been acknowledged in the mainstream media, and because I know that in the Democratic party there is widespread disagreement about the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital. It's simple deduction.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 2:50:50 PM
Why does it *matter* which one was no'd? I woulda no'd for both of them because they're both ridiculous. The important aspect is that they needed a 2/3 majority and, based on sound, there definitely wasn't a 2/3 majority. So there was no democracy going on, they chose to approve it despite the votes not meeting the requirements.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4520 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 2:46:02 PM
FoolsPrussia-"They voted on both issues simultaneously."

I never said they didn't. If you saw the actual process, it was obvious that both amendment swere up for vote at the same time. (A clue is a BIG ASSED SCREEN that had both Amendements on it to be voted on.)

So YOU think you can speak for the entire delegation, each and every member, and state 'they were booing Amendment II, not Amendment I'. The facts do not support that theory. (Nor does it support they were Booing Amendment I, not Amendment II.)

The simple fact: Two Amendments, both getting booed. If they had been smart (and no one accuses ANYone at that convention of being smart), they'd have voted on each individually so there'd be no confusion. Of course, I believe they intentionally voted on both just so they could say 'Oh, we weren't booing THAT one, just the OTHER one.'

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17026 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 2:20:43 PM
It's just Ron Paul whiners whining. Paul didn't even have 10% of the delegates Romney had. Paul knew this before the RNC and had staged his own convention days before.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 2:19:19 PM
@Markust: Thanks for linking to the video.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 2:11:59 PM
@MeGrendel: They voted on both issues simultaneously. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, or whoever you're getting your "facts" from.

"If you're going to try and point out someone elses ignorance, make sure you have your facts straight."

Funny.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 2:00:26 PM
And one more thing, they tallied up the votes before all the voiced "Yeas" and "Nays" so there's nothing to worry about on that front either.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 1:56:39 PM
Is this about that Paul thing? Oh Brother...

Paul won delegates in caucus states which divvy up representation differently than primary states. Paul was never a contender in primary states and primary states are generally winner take all. What the Paul team did was hide under the radar as caucus delegates were chosen in hopes of poaching Romney's due portion of delegates away. They wanted to do a sneaky "all ur delegates are belong to us" trick and it blew up in their faces and rightfully so. The party did nothing wrong, they disciplined their own for rule breaking.

Even if this ruse actually worked it would never garner him the nomination anyway, there simply aren't enough votes. There would've been a huge floor battle and then a brokered convention, which means a return to the party elders and the days of smoke filled back rooms as they cast the final deciding votes.

This isn't Democalypse Now, this is Tuesday.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 1:45:46 PM
The person in the crowd they show twice yelling No is next to a lady holding a sign that says Arab American Democracy. It can't get much clearer than that. Although I would play the video with the sound off since the guy recording the video is a jack ass.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 1:40:10 PM
"The part about Jerusalem was Amendment two. Amendment ONE that they were voting on..."

Here is a video recorded of a TV showing this vote so you can see nothing was taken out of context or manipulated @MeGrendel. Both issues were voted on at the same time. THE SAME TIME. See I can capitalize also. What I said, a lie repeated by a trusted source enough times becomes truth, still stands. The part about Jerusalem is absolutely what people were upset about. It is a huge point of anger for some people. You have clearly been manipulated by opinion media to believe a lie. The question is are you man enough to admit you are wrong?

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 12:40:24 PM
MeGrendel, so you're gonna ignore this and just say "but democrats did it too!"? I think both are atrocious. They need a 2/3 majority (by screaming? odd way to vote imo) to proceed. In both cases, it seemed to be 50/50 and they went with whatever they wanted and ignored the will of the people. It's disgusting and something needs to be done to prevent this kind of crap from happening in the future.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4520 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 12:31:36 PM
FoolsPrussia-"he disagreement on that vote was about making Jerusalem the symbolic capital of Israel, not returning God to the official platform."

The part about Jerusalem was Amendment two. Amendment ONE that they were voting on was add to the platform the following line: "Page 32, Line 48: We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values, and interests of working people, and gives everone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of the God-given potential."

If you're going to try and point out someone elses ignorance, make sure you have your facts straight.

markust123-"A lie repeated"

You need to get your facts straight, also.

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2576 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 12:16:33 PM
Said it before and i'll say it again.

Ron Paul would've been our new president if the repubs weren't such A-holes. So, long live president Obama

Stupid ass repubs

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 858 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 11:07:55 AM
I see what they lost by doing that but what, exactly, did they gain?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 11:07:39 AM
"...the disagreement on that vote was about making Jerusalem the symbolic capital of Israel, not returning God to the official platform..."

That is the power of opinion media. A lie repeated by a trusted source enough times becomes truth. What people are stating is opinion but it certainly isn't theirs. The "opinion" was planted in their heads like so many of the other lies the left and right is brainwashed into believing. I know I'm a broken record with this but it sickens me to see America being divided so bad by partisan politics.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:54:40 AM
After the flood of anti-Obama/anti-DNC videos this week and the lack of anti-Romney/anti-RNC videos last week I almost had a heart attack when I saw this title. Thank you. If we're going to make fun of politics on IAB we need to make fun of both sides. They are both equally worthy of our mockery. And the people who believe a lot of the sensational lies are also equally worthy of our mockery.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:28:03 AM
'And this is different from the Democratic Voice vote on returning God to the platform how?'

That was embarassing. A total joke. BUT, the disagreement on that vote was about making Jerusalem the symbolic capital of Israel, not returning God to the official platform. (Contrary to popular opinion here, I am not a Democrat)

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:26:57 AM
@CodeJockey: They probably won't.. that would mean that they couldn't script the result of the "poll" beforehand.. Moving power from the top leaders to the people would be a pretty stupid decision by the top leaders, don't you think ?

inaria
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1521 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:14:18 AM
@ patchgrabber
What i think it means is that the RNC can replace delegates with their own appointed delegates (people with the viewpoint they want). Essentially ensuring that the states are not represented properly (i.e. what the people actually want).

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5115 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:12:26 AM
"they adopt resolutions by 'applause -o-meter'?"
Yes. It's actually normal.
Someday, they will get with the Electronic Age.
By then, humans will be living in the
Age of Interplanetary Exploration and Colonization...

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5115 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:08:30 AM
"And this is different from the Democratic Voice vote on returning God to the platform how?"
Not terribly different but, one hell-of-a-lot more important.
That look of "fu*k you people" didn't help.

danagamer
Male, 30-39, Western US
 694 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:05:35 AM
they adopt resolutions by 'applause -o-meter'?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4520 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:04:31 AM
And this is different from the Democratic Voice vote on returning God to the platform how?

(Oh, it's Republicans, so it's 'bad'. I forgot how that works).

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5712 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:02:16 AM
Not surprising. They've been ignoring Ron Paul since the Republican candidate debates. Now I'm not a huge fan of some of Paul's policies, but fair is fair and he should have the same opportunities as whoever the RNC picks as their golden boy. I'm also not quite understanding this veto power thing. Does this mean that someone in the RNC can just veto delegates' votes?

inaria
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1521 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:02:06 AM
At first i didn't know wtf was going on, but damn, that's messed up. For a country that prides themselves on democracy, the US just seems to be screwing the pooch on that topic.

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