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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
 17474 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:02:45 AM
Hahaha! Highlighting the hypocricy!
Take away the "buzzwords" and they have NOTHING! |
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 fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1467 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:53:46 AM
Irrelevant argument. Suicide is a choice, too. You can't correlate fat intake to abortion. |
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 RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2055 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:49:32 AM
"My neighbors just go the sonogram on their 10 week pregnancy. He {she} is kicking, fist pumping, & has a heartbeat but legally this thing isn't alive? isn't a baby?"
Right now, it's just a parasite. Don't believe me? Try removing it from the host and see if it still lives. Oops! You just aborted a baby.
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 LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2696 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:45:37 AM
CJ, I'd do the googling for you but I have to leave for class in 5 minutes (this one might be good but I haven't read it over completely). However, scientists aren't sure EXACTLY when they can start feeling pain, but it's between 18-24 weeks. Although you can't ask a fetus, you can study their brain waves and reactions and such. The arms and legs moving isn't the same as feeling pain. Brain dead people can have automatic reactions too, but they can't feel pain. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:06:08 AM
LillianDulci: How do you know if a 10 week old fetus can feel pain or not? Please show me the science studies that prove that, I'd like to see them. I'm betting you can't.
You suppose they can't feel pain, you can't prove that to be a fact. Those same nerves moving leg and arm muscles are the same ones that sense pain. |
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LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2696 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:00:45 AM
Gerry, you missed the important detail, that the 10 week old "kicking(which I highly doubt she's able to actually feel because a 10 week old fetus is very tiny) and fist pumping" fetus "with a heartbeat" is just doing involuntary motions. Its brain waves, if there are any, are primitive; it's not able to feel pain or think or process anything that's going on. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:46:38 AM
davy: How does a left-wing ideal like Liberalism... equate to Fascism
Because liberals, like you, want to tell everyone else what to do (thinking you know better), just so long as the rules don't apply to you when it comes your turn to have to sacrifice something.
That kind of condescending elitism becomes fascism over time. The founding fathers warned us of this type of governmental tyranny and suggested that we revolt against it. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:29:48 AM
Democrats, Completely comfortable with and proud of their hypocrisies. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26254 Posts
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Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:40:00 AM
What people think depends on how you phrase the question.
"Choice to choose about their body" everyone says yes,
but "Choose to kill a baby" and people haver.
My neighbors just go the sonogram on their 10 week pregnancy. He {she} is kicking, fist pumping, & has a heartbeat but legally this thing isn't alive? isn't a baby?
What kind of world have we made where corporations are people but babies are not? |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3061 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:56:13 PM
DrProfessor
"If you'd bothered to continue reading, you'd have noticed:
"(I know, I know, dead 'babies'.)" "
Sorry man. Didn't mean to come off as confrontational or argumentative. I did read your comment all the way through. I make a habit of reading every single comment made on a post in its entirety before I make a comment. That way I avoid making a point already made or sticking my foot in my mouth.
I just was trying to point out that when admonishing the hypocrisy of the Republican "less government interference" myth that issues like drugs and gay marriages are much more appropriate, in my opinion, than abortion. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3061 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:49:13 PM
Zeegrr60
"Simple morality tax. If you are against abortion you have to pay 15% of your income before taxes to raise the little buggers."
I'm against abortion. But that doesn't mean I would ever force someone to "raise the little buggers". Adoption. Adoption. Adoption. There are hundreds of thousands of people lining up to be loving parents. Nobody is forcing anyone to raise a child they don't want. You are raising a point that doesn't actually exist. Stop trying to make it. |
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 bassman56
Male, 50-59, Southern US
157 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:35:18 PM
Great, MrAtari, I'm moving there today! Oh, by the way, how's the cost of living? |
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 MrAtari
Male, 30-39, Europe
1105 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:49:53 PM
The American system sucks with only 2 political parties to choose from. Is that democracy? Here in the Netherlands we can choose from many parties, more choice and more diversity. |
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 DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
3637 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:39:10 PM
@HolyGod-If you'd bothered to continue reading, you'd have noticed:
"(I know, I know, dead 'babies'.)"
Though you would think that further following their individual choice shtick, they wouldn't ascribe to one (religiously influenced) ideal. Their espousal of the Christian moral backbone goes against many of their beliefs in small government with little say on your decisions.
That's what I was pointing to. The implications behind the obvious answer. |
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 tatripp
Male, 18-29, Western US
1187 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:32:21 PM
Dear HolyGod,
I think i have a similar political stance as you.
I do not like the current republican party but I really don't like the democrat party. I am also not an anarchist.
You are not the only person on this website who isn't a super liberal |
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 DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2125 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:25:52 PM
Very well said, jameson37.
Welcome to IAB.
I believe 5Cats posted a pic showing that the extreme left and the extreme right are just two different paths to the same goal, e.g. an all powerful government that regulates everything in one's life.
Both extremes are dangerous and should be avoided at all possibilities. |
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 jameson37
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
1 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:14:31 PM
davymid: Many liberals I know hold political principles where they have a desire to form a powerful state which coordinates a society where everybody belongs and everyone is taken care of.
Where everything is political. It would probably surprise you to know that the Nazis were strong promoters of organic foods and animal rights, fought against large department stores, and promoted anti-smoking and held public health drives.
I am not saying Liberals are fascists however. Orwell noted that Communism and Fascism are aiming at approximately the same thing and are to some extent the same people. He then went on to recognize that you can call conservatives, nationalists, socialists, war supporters, war resisters, etc all fascists. You can call just about anyone a fascist and that all in all the word has lost its meaning. In fact in the present day the word "Fascist" is more akin to the word "bully", which some would argue you proved yourself to be with you |
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 Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
120 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:56:43 PM
HolyGod: Liberals want to regulate health and the environment.
Conservatives want to regulate sex and morality.
100% agree with this. But, here is the thing, would you rather laws focusing on keeping you out of hell, or laws focusing on issues that affect the entire population.
I'm for regulating what we do the the environment, and I'm also for a generally healthy populace. I am against people telling me who I can and can't love, and what I should and shouldn't believe in.
I heard a quote that made me feel sick to the stomach. "Our constitution says we have freedom of religion, but the founding fathers intended that religion to be christianity." It's this sort of thing that both parties do that just freaks me out. |
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 DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
1428 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:41:29 PM
I think most of the users here on IAB are Libertarians, whether they know it (yet) or not.
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 Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
1528 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:40:26 PM
Simple morality tax. If you are against abortion you have to pay 15% of your income before taxes to raise the little buggers. |
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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11693 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:39:07 PM
OldOllie said: Liberal = fascism.
Oh, f*ck up, you old twat. How does a left-wing ideal like Liberalism, which I ascribe to (thanks for calling me a Nazi by the way), equate to Fascism, an extreme right-wing political position? At least equate all us "Libtards" to an extreme left-wing political position and call us all Communists, akin to Pol Pot or Stalin, that would be honest. Still loaded with hatred and vitriol, but at least it would be honest. |
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 patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
3030 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:33:34 PM
OldOllie:
"Liberal = fascism."
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OldOllie = Troll. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3061 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:32:28 PM
Andrew155
I'm with you. I think we have talked several times on the subject, but I fall in line with Libertarians much more than either Democrats or Republicans. However I think some Libertarian ideals are dangerous. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3061 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:30:16 PM
DrProfessor
"Okay, so turn this around. If Republicans are so outraged by the "nanny-state", then why are they against choice in this case?"
No. They believe a fetus is a life and abortion is murder. They believe you shouldn't have a right to that choice anymore than you should have the right to choose to kill your 6 yr old. To me that is a valid opinion.
The real question is, if they are so against the nanny state, why do they want to regulate what drugs people use recreationally? Why do they want to regulate if I can wager my own money? Or pay for sex? Or marry someone of the same sex? Republicans absolutely get in people's business just as much. They just get in their business about other things.
Liberals want to regulate health and the environment.
Conservatives want to regulate sex and morality.
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1208 Posts
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Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:28:13 PM
Holy God, I don't believe mainstream liberalism is fascism, but read this below if you want to know more about different fascisms. Liberalism does have certain elements of fascism that are worth noting. (Conservatism does as well, don't worry).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Franklin_D._Roosevelt |
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