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How 'Pro-Choice' are Democrats?

Hits: 6696 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:16:39 AM
The fascists in spain are concideret politically far right extremists.
Also there is little left and right about the political views of your world, they are all far right on the overall scale anyway.

sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:16:37 AM
haha... hey 5cats what were you saying
"NOBODY in the USA can own an automatic weapon without TONS of paperwork, it's just a fact"

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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:15:23 AM


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:14:53 AM




sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:14:00 AM


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:13:25 AM




sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:11:43 AM
@5cats you can empty the magazine of a semi-automatic glock in 2.5 seconds (The Glock 17 has a cyclic rate of about 800 spm. So theoretically, with a standard 17 shot magazine, that works out to right around 2.5 seconds to empty out at optimum speed.) is that reasonable self defence? Do you really need a gun this designed for multiple kills. how many people are there on a break in?

Calling people out who dont like guns as "communist" is just mccarthyism. Go look it up.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:10:35 AM
I show you guys my gun collection?????

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6401 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:07:34 AM
Ah, Americans. You're generally good people, but you have to know that the rest of the world looks at you as fundy Christian pistol packers. Problem is, millions of you really do fit that label.

sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:05:43 AM
Heres a little test. Which country do you think guns are legal.

Gun deaths per 100,000 population:

Homicide Suicide Other (inc Accident)

USA 3.98 5.92 0.36
Italy 0.81 1.1 0.07
Switzerland 0.50 5.8 0.10
Canada 0.4 2.0 0.04
Finland 0.35 4.45 0.10
Australia 0.24 1.34 0.10
France 0.21 3.4 0.49
England/Wales 0.15 0.2 0.03
Scotland 0.06 0.2 0.02
Japan 0.02 0.04 0
Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:04:52 AM
@HumanAction
My knowledge on firearm legislation is a bit nonexistant, so if owning automatic rifles are not permitted so much the better.
I agree with many of your points. And i agree completely to the right to defend yourself against aggressors.

"However, to me, the ability to protect oneself and ones family outweighs the correlated loss of life."
I think this is the essence of the answer i was looking for.
If we're talking in absolutes the killing or be killed question would likely cause agreement by most opposing people.

But the essence of carrying a self defense item is to immobilize the attacker. A gun either deters or kills the attacker.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24933 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:02:35 AM
but why would you own say a automatic rifle

@Essersmith: NOBODY in the USA can own an automatic weapon without TONS of paperwork, it's just a fact. You're confusing "semi-" with full-auto perhaps? A world of difference!
What about the Sikh community? Their men are REQUIRED to carry a weapon (knife) at ALL times!

@sharpydufc: So killing a baby is OK, but owning a lump of metal is not? Got it. NO choice for those who disagree with the Elite!

That kind of condescending elitism becomes fascism over time.

@CrakrJak is bang-on correct! Substitute "Stalinism" or "Maoism" if you don't like the F-word...

sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:00:36 AM
@humanaction.

"However, to me, the ability to protect oneself and ones family outweighs the correlated loss of life."

My issue with that statement is that i think MORE deaths are caused by keeping weapons in a family home than are saved by. While most gun owners may have noble intentions or know "many" people who are reasonable it does not preculde the fact that most firearm homicides in the US are done within a family environment. Here are some super fun gun facts for you to chew over;

In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

In 1999, 58% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 38% were homicides. (SOURCE: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

In 2000, 75,685 people (27/100,000) suffered non-fatal firearm gunshot injuries. (SOURCE: FBI. Uniform Crime Reports

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5708 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:45:31 AM
Haha, way to get owned CJ. Anything else you'd like to add to your ignorance of biology?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:42:23 AM
@Essersmith: The point I'm making is that, it is impossible to remove the guns from 100% of criminal hands. I consider it best then to allow law-abiding citizens to have a means to "equalize" themselves to this potential threat.

It's fine to disagree with me as there are pros and cons both ways. However, to me, the ability to protect oneself and ones family outweighs the correlated loss of life.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:39:31 AM
@Essersmith: I agree that allowing people to carry firearms is correlated to an increase in homicide rates. However, from the studies I've read, per capita, it either has no effect or a decreased effect on violent crime.

As for automatic rifles, we cannot own them; anyone who tells you that the general population here can purchase and own automatic weapons is lying.

As for the purpose of carrying a handgun, the function is ownly protection (I guess some people think they're being cool too). A firearm is an instant equalizer. Consider a 5'3", 110 lb woman being attacked by a 6'2" 220 lb man; without a firearm, she is helpless. The man could kill her with his bare hands.

Now, is she had a firearm, she is equal to him (if not greater than). Simply brandishing the weapon would likely persuade the attacker to stop.


Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:33:01 AM
@CrakrJak
"Because liberals, like you, want to tell everyone else what to do (thinking you know better), just so long as the rules don't apply to you when it comes your turn to have to sacrifice something.

That kind of condescending elitism becomes fascism over time. The founding fathers warned us of this type of governmental tyranny and suggested that we revolt against it."

The same argument can be used against the republicans.
And its because of extremists like the both of you that you both keep arguing instead of progressing.

Your founding fathers lived in a much different time and wanted a better world for everyone. And they created a country that ended up being the bully in the playground. Good job raising a kid with morals guys.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:29:14 AM
@Sharpydufc
It's a harsh comparison to make. The two have nothing directly to do with each other. One, killing people with guns, is directly illegal in most countries by law. The other is a moral dilemma that only half the population on the globe (women) should have the right to make.
The grey in the middle is what makes up 95% of everything, thinking that you can't have cake without buying a bakery is what leads to extremism.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16:22 AM
@HumanAction
It does seem that allowing the general population to wear firearms, knifes or weaponry leads to a much higher chance of violent crimes/incidents to occur.
That said, I was brought up with different life views, morals and ethics (Scandinavia) so who am I to tell you (the US.) what you should or should not do. So when you say its OK to own a gun and you say its not to kill people with, I ask; then what for? Hunting rifles and general hunting equipment is one thing but why would you own say a automatic rifle or a given handgun?

Note i'm not saying you are wrong, we just disagree. I'm asking you why do you think it's OK to own weapons that serve little other purpose than hurting/killing other people.

sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:01:36 AM
my point was really more about the dichotomy of a political party that can vociferously protect the right to arm ones self with weapons that only have one use (to kill), but remove the protection for one persons right to abort an unborn fetus as some sort of enshrined act to protect us from ourselves.

You either give people the right to choose.. or you tell them what to do. The grey in between is hypocritical which ever side of the fence you fall on.

AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 997 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:55:34 AM
LOL moment: "I'm ABD, All But Dissertation." = I failed out of graduate school, so that makes me really smart!

Kind of like how Al Gore "chose" to flunk out of Vanderbilt? He, he!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:38:40 AM
@sharpydufc: what confuses me is how "freedom" in the constitution is ok to have a gun (to kill people with)

Whoa there, we do NOT have the right to kill people; that is not true.

I think the misunderstanding is that our forefathers insisted that restrictive laws only be passed if the described actions directly limit the liberties of other citizens. For instance, it is fine for the government to tell us not to shoot other citizens; that action limits their rights.

However, my simply owning a firearm does nothing to my fellow citizens. It does not break their arms nor does it pick their pockets. Therefore, they have no right to limit me.

I know you will say that this is backwards and that your method is proactive. Well, I think your method is backwards and that your method is tyrannical. Either way, that's OK; we don't have to agree.

insane_ai
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 686 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:32:19 AM
I am pro-choice..... as long as you choose what I have chosen for you.

Move along sheople, nothing to see here!

sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:25:32 AM
what confuses me is how "freedom" in the constitution is ok to have a gun (to kill people with) but if you use an injection to kill a 10 week old baby that is arguably not alive and can not feel or comprehend THAT is awful.

Maybe you only shoot people that deserve it (except most shootings are of family members and a whole load of those are pretty innocent) which results in 13000 deaths a year in the US.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24933 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:14:01 AM
I believe 5Cats posted a pic showing that the extreme left and the extreme right are just two different paths to the same goal

I did indeed @DuckBoy87, I'm glad someone notices these things!

Try removing it from the host and see if it still lives.

@RobSwindol: The same can be said for a 2 year old, a quadripalegic, the severely retarded, those with a really bad flu... hey I know! Lets ABORT THEM TOO! Right? I mean Left?


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