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How 'Pro-Choice' are Democrats?

Hits: 6693 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:20:06 PM
@patch

Mr. Bear supports "restrictions"...

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:13:04 PM
@HolyGod

I notice you left alcohol conveniently now what purpose does that serve. It kill far more than firearms BTW and not just those using it. If you ban "bad guns" like my AR-15 that looks like an M4 guess who'll still have them??

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4455 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:41:47 PM
McGovern1981

"If you banned booze you'd save even more lives! Hey the number one killer in first world countries is heart disease ban fat people! Also tobacco which kills more BAN IT!!"

I have no problem with people killing themselves. That is personal choice. I have a problem with people killing other people.

If you banned cars less people would die, but cars serve other purposes. Guns only serve to kill.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:40:08 PM
@McGovern: Thank you for illustrating my point. The founders were a mixed lot, and you can find quotes from them pro- or anti- whatever. They didn't have some harmonious, unanimous vision of America.

Now one thing they did agree on in general is that people should have guns. I can live with that. But restrictions doesn't necessarily equate with being debarred the use of guns. Jefferson himself knew that laws and policies need to change with the times. I'm not saying get rid of guns, because you can't. But regulation is not deprivation.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4455 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:38:19 PM
McGovern1981

""No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson"

Nor should they. However I see no reason for anyone to own anything other than a hand gun, a shot gun, or a hunting rifle.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:22:34 PM
@patch

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:17:43 PM
@HolyGod

If you banned booze you'd save even more lives! Hey the number one killer in first world countries is heart disease ban fat people! Also tobacco which kills more BAN IT!! Watch how that works out.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:14:20 PM
1. Seriously? How many times do you need to post those pictures. Yes, we're all very very proud of you.


As many time as I please to get the anti gunner panties in a wad.

You really think the founding fathers would approve of any one person having the ability to fire hundreds of rounds in that same two minutes?


Yes I do it's called trying to keep government power in check. While it's not perfect it something and has worked before.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:31:57 AM
@HG: Times change. Laws should to.

I think Jefferson said it best:

"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment... laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind... as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times.... We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4455 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:31:53 AM
Palfas

"Abortion; I don't care if you terminate your pregnancy, it doesn't affect me in the slightest"

So by that rationale you would support me killing my 6 yr old son? After all, it wouldn't affect you in the slightest.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4455 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:29:28 AM
McGovern1981

1. Seriously? How many times do you need to post those pictures. Yes, we're all very very proud of you.

2. That picture is retarded. Gun laws would not PREVENT shooting sprees but they sure as s.hit would lessen them. How can you not think that? It isn't that the criminal would follow the law, but if it wasn't for legal internet and trade show gun sales the criminal or potential criminal would have an infinitely harder time getting their hand on one.

3. The second amendment was written over 200 years ago when "arms" was a rifle that took 2 minutes to load and shoot once. Times have changed. You really think the founding fathers would approve of any one person having the ability to fire hundreds of rounds in that same two minutes? If there was a horse based amendment that said no person should ride through town faster than 5 miles per hour do you think we'd still be driving our cars at 5 miles per hour? Times change. Laws should to.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:19:08 AM
@McGovern & MeGrendel: At no point did I say anything about taking guns away, my intention was to convey the outdated stupidity of using "defense from the government" as a good argument to have a gun.

Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 410 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:19:07 AM
You're free to make your own choices, as long as they don't negatively impact me or others around you.

Seat belt and helmet laws for instance; I don't care if you die in a crash, one less vehicle on the road. Abortion; I don't care if you terminate your pregnancy, it doesn't affect me in the slightest. These are personal choices you made that don't affect me.

Smoking; second hand smoke kills. Lightbulbs; the old ones use more energy that we all need to share. Alcohol; drunk driving kills other people more often then the drunk.

Tansfats; ehh, people are going to get fat anyways, that's dumb. Large soda ban; buy two mediums.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3625 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:11:42 AM
patchgrabber-"And when was the last time you had to do that?"

The point is, we have a better chance than an unarmed populace. Which was one of the reasons behind the 2nd Amendment. In fact, they considered it so important they put it second only to Free Speech and Freedom of Religion.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:00:09 AM
@patch

So because we've never had to we should just give them up riiightt....

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:56:52 AM
@sharpydufc

LOL!!! It's not automatic. It's semi kinda funny how little anti gun folk know about the things they'd like to ban outright.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:42:57 AM
or to stave off maniacal governments

And when was the last time you had to do that? Oh right you haven't been a colony for a while now. And if you think your current government would pull a Libya or Tunisia then the only maniacal one is you.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3625 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:32:17 AM
sharpydufc-"what confuses me is how "freedom" in the constitution is ok to have a gun (to kill people with)"

or to protect yourself, or to hunt food, or to stave off maniacal governments.

sharpydufc-"weapons that only have one use (to kill)"

The ignorance is deep today.

Essersmith-"the essence of carrying a self defense item is to immobilize the attacker"

No, the essence of self defense is to protect one's self and family. I don't care to 'immobilize' someone who is attacking me. I care to STOP him from harming me. Now, if I can do that with my Handy-Dandy Net-throwing Device, fine...but I find a .45 much easier to carry.

sharpydufc-"hey 5cats what were you saying"

What makes you thing that is an autmatic weapon? Just because you 'think' it looks like one?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3625 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:31:28 AM
thatjimguy-"I wonder how many people this guy went through to find these guys."

To find these five? At the Democratic Convention? Probably about 5.

Finding hypocritcal, clueless idiots at a Democratic Convention is like trying to find a snowflake in a blizzard...that's all there is available.

RobSwindol-"Right now, it's just a parasite."

Such a statement demonstrates your ignorance.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:13:04 AM
@sharpydufc: Well, the murder one I agree with; I believe that lax gun laws positively correlates with homicide rates. I also think that I'm about the only pro-gun person who will admit that...

As for rape, per capita, Sweden fars exceeds the US. In addition, the UK, New Zealand, Belgium, Iceland, etc, are comparable to the US rates. I think you'll find below that this is consistent with what I've stated thus far.

However, take a look at some studies and you'll see that many European countries are much worse

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:49:35 AM
@Dinven: Well it's almost time for an American election, so there's your answer.

sharpydufc
Male, 18-29, Europe
 89 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:44:53 AM
@humanaction - so what facts would add more "scope". Here are some stats on Intentional homicide (so maybe they murder with other things when guns arent available?) - Except USA is still higher than EVERY country that bans guns. to be fair apart from greenland... but its dark for 9 months at a time there, so they are excused.

Or what about the rape statistics. Surely guns discourage that.. or maybe they dont. you could say that african countries etc maybe misreport but again the US is still far higher than western europe.

Is there something im missing?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:27:11 AM
So killing a baby is OK, but owning a lump of metal is not? Got it. NO choice for those who disagree with the Elite!

Wow, so you deride liberals for getting angry when you "disagree with the Elite" but you insist that it is "killing a baby" and get mad when I disagree with you. Hypocrisy much?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:22:40 AM
@sharpydufc: The problem with your statistics is the scope. By looking only at firearm crime, you bias the statistics.

For example, imagine that driving is legal is Germany and illegal in Spain. It seems to be reasonable to then expect Germany to have a higher incidence of car-related crime, yes? As the saturation of any item increases, so does the incidence of that items misuse.

Would it then be fine to use a comparison or car-related crime stats between Spain and Germany as evidence that cars should not be allowed in Germany?

The answer is no, because the statistics are biased.

Calling people out who dont like guns as "communist" is just mccarthyism.

The general consensus is that McCarthy has been, at very least, partially vindicated. Look it up.

DinVen
Male, 30-39, Europe
 280 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:17:22 AM
What is up with all the political content here lately? Terribly off putting. We get rammed with politics on just about any site these days..

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