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How 'Pro-Choice' are Democrats?

Hits: 6698 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2012 3:26:34 AM
Started well, the first examples were great but then it got a bit muddier, take the lightbulbs for ex. Old inefficient technology using more energy than it should. That energy is away from the rest of us, it affects all around you and has even global effects, albeit minute.. Make the incandescent bulb as efficient as CFLs, then you can have the choice back.. If corporations would have their free choice, we would be knee deep in trouble, waste and useless products (hmm, sounds familiar...). Soon we are switching from oil to some other energy form, are you saying that individual person needs to be presented a choice of sticking to oil, full infrastructure kept in place just for the sake of choice...

Those big gulps sodas are just stupid anyway but there's no reason to take them away, if someone wants diabetes so badly, let them have it.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13443 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 11:14:41 AM
You are a great symbol ^^ im sure its easy to just wave everything away and point at others.


LOL that's ironic cause that's what you do to firearms!!

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4639 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 10:15:46 AM
patchgrabber-"It's like saying a paraplegic can feel pain "

The problem with that argument is that many paraplegics DO feel pain.

So add 'paraplegics' to the LONG list of topics you know nothing about.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 9:25:34 AM
@McGovern

I think 5cat said it pretty well..


You are a great symbol ^^ im sure its easy to just wave everything away and point at others.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13443 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 7:53:46 AM
We dont have many of your kind around here.. which is why its perfect land i guess.


ROFL!! I'm going to say the UK ya things seem real stable in Northern Ireland right now....

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10273 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 7:52:36 AM
A 90-lb woman can not 'overcome' a 250lb rapist.


Actually with proper training she can. That being said though, that in of itself is not a justification for tighter gun control.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 7:21:49 AM
@McGovern
Name calling, great.

There was a nice conversation about the different opinions on gun legislation. I guess you and MeGrendel arent really interested in sharing thoughts.
But you are right, here in perfect land it is pretty nice. We dont have many of your kind around here.. which is why its perfect land i guess.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5717 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 7:19:11 AM
@Crakr: That snippet of the article you just quoted is out of context. Those nerve endings and spinal projections allow for reflex, not pain. It's like saying a paraplegic can feel pain because his legs show reflex responses. This article confirms that pain sensing is unlikely before the third trimester. I found it in less than a minute of searching. I can find many more if you'd like. I'm not as good at putting my foot in my mouth as you, yours must be big because I can't count the number of times you've fit both of yours in there. If you want to try and debate science with me cupcake I suggest you find a scientific study that concludes that a foetus can feel pain before 20 weeks before you start rambling. And I'm not talking about your uninformed opinion of the results, I'm talking about the actual scientists' conclusions.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13443 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 5:27:51 AM
@Essersmith

I suppose you treat the criminal beter than the victim where you're from in ther land of perfection! There's a word for that it's called a pussy.

Here's a man who helped save your homeland and probably plowed your great grandma in the process with defending himself.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17157 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 2:01:54 AM
MeGrendel: Unless you look white, shoot a black teenager pounding your head into the sidewalk after he bought some skittles. Then they'll call you a murderer and a racist skinhead.

Am I right?

Never mind that Chicago alone, Obama's hometown, has nearly 500 murders this year, most of them unsolved, most of them black and hispanic victims, almost all committed by blacks and hispanics. Then it barely rates mentioning in the press.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17157 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 1:54:44 AM
patchgrabber: Once again you just put your foot in your mouth. Being a clueless cheerleader is no way to go through life.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 1:52:20 AM
@Keith2
So true

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 1:51:07 AM
@MeGrendel
If the legal conditions in the US are as you claim; I stand corrected. Horrified but corrected.

What you are describing (while name calling, very mature) is, to me, an absurd system that I can hardly recognize as being a modern western society. I wouldnt be surprised to hear similar socially accepted approaches from north Korea or African countries plunged deep into civil war.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17157 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 1:49:27 AM
Lillian: From your own source, "Free nerve endings, the “alarm buttons,” begin to develop at about seven weeks' gestation; projections from the spinal cord, the major “cable” to the brain, can reach the thalamus (the lower alarm) at seven weeks' gestation."

That pretty much disproves what you said, perhaps you should've taken the time to read it.

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 12:29:52 AM
What's with all this democrat bashing stuff on here lately? A bipartisan view of the world is a narrow view of the world.

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2565 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:55:00 PM
All I see is everyone on both sides are idiots.

Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:47:48 PM
Keep being hypocritical and ironic, dems. Makes you look smart.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25711 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:52:35 PM
@Essersmith:


MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4639 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:45:38 PM
Essersmith-"as by countering blows or or overcoming an assailant"

A 90-lb woman can not 'overcome' a 250lb rapist. A 90-lb woman with a .45 CAN.

Essersmith-"shooting the guy robbing (attacking) you is not self defense, its murder."

Only in your sheepified little mind. 'Murder' has a specific, legal definition. Shooting a mugger does not fall under that definition.

BAAAAAAAAAAA!

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4639 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:44:42 PM
Essersmith-"Self defense with death as consequence, is murder."

Not under any law in the United States.

Down here, Self-defense with death as consequence is labeled as 'suicide through stupidity'.

Essersmith-"saying a .45 was easyer wont help you in the trial that would follow."

In the US, in cases of Self Defense, a trial does not follow.

Essersmith-"if you "accidentally" kill the mugger you will most likely be charged with murder."

Again, maybe in your wussified country. In this country, if a mugger is killed, the self-defender is given a 'Have a nice day, sir.'

And if I kill a mugger, it will not be an accident.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:56:50 PM
@MeGrendel
self-de·fense   [self-di-fens, self-] Show IPA
noun
1.
the act of defending one's person when physically attacked, as by countering blows or overcoming an assailant: the art of self-defense.
2.
a claim or plea that the use of force or injuring or killing another was necessary in defending one's own person from physical attack: He shot the man who was trying to stab him and pleaded self-defense at the murder trial.
3.
an act or instance of defending or protecting one's own interests, property, ideas, etc., as by argument or strategy.

Note 2. shooting the guy robbing (attacking) you is not self defense, its murder.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:51:02 PM
@MeGrendel
"No, the essence of self defense is to protect one's self and family. I don't care to 'immobilize' someone who is attacking me. I care to STOP him from harming me. Now, if I can do that with my Handy-Dandy Net-throwing Device, fine...but I find a .45 much easier to carry. "

Self defense with death as consequence, is murder. That leaves you with the evidence burden of proving the intent of murder from the attacking part. Also saying a .45 was easyer wont help you in the trial that would follow.
The same goes for knowing marshal arts, if you "accidentally" kill the mugger you will most likely be charged with murder.
What you are talking about is counter attacking witch is not self defense.

It's a grotesque thought for me to think that murdering someone is an acceptable outcome of almost any conflict. I was not raised to have such a wastefull disregard to human life, no matter how disagreeing i might be with someone.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4639 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:51:22 PM
HolyGod-"Guns only serve to kill."

Guns also serve to protect life and liberty.

In reality: Guns only serve to throw a tapered cylinder of metal down-range as fast, far and accurately as possible.

It's the individual who decides where they want the slug.

patchgrabber-"but there are reasons why there are regulations."

Yeah, there's regulations about banning guns in schools, but not in shooting ranges. Thus there are MORE guns a shooting ranges.

When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting at a shooting range?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13443 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:07:59 PM
@patchgrabber

There alread are and were restrictions and they didn't do anything. You'd know that if you lived here. What's this coat?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5717 Posts
Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:57:21 PM
@McGovern: Post your pics all you want, but there are reasons why there are regulations. You're the type of person Jefferson was talking about in that quote I posted. If you can't see the value in changing legislation and amending the constitution then you should probably go looking for that coat you wore as a kid.

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