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Why Do You Believe What You Believe?

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Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 7:15:43 PM
I guess the best questions to the narrator would be, "Why does it bother you, and why are you so affected?"

Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2012 7:12:56 PM
I'm a believer. I think the narrator is missing the point of the bible. In my opinion, the bible is meant to be taken figuratively, not literally. Be good to each other, respect laws, try no to be an idiot that lives to prove others beliefs' are unfounded. I don't believe one religion is right, while others are wrong. Isn't it funny that almost all civilizations on Earth have a remarkably similar story of a supreme being without having been influenced by another civilization? Some were coerced to change by other civilizations, but the the original belief was there, just a different version.
In short, believe what you want and stop trying to undermine people by indirectly picking fights because you choose not to believe. All you have to do is not believe. Why does it bother you so much if someone believes? Doesn't bother me that someone doesn't believe.
Even atheists have faith. If you've ever made plans for the future, you have faith that you will be alive to fulfill them.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3418 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:24:38 PM
*tips hat*

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:46:11 PM
Elkingo and TheGuySmiley,

Thanks for taking the time to post back. Thoughtful responses indeed. It's all too easy on the internet to ignore or flame, but both of you didn't.

Can't say I agree with either of you, I still think that God's love (if we're talking about the same, Christian God, which I'm not sure we are), is entirely conditional. Conditional on you being a Christian.

Anyways, healthy debate, and thanks for taking the time to respond. Especially you Elkingo, we go back a long ways here on IAB in debates, and I've always liked what you you had to say.

Agree to disagree for now? For every person that accepts another person's world-view, one has to accept that there's others who think differently.

Thanks guys. Enjoyed the discussion, see you in the next thread!

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:30:36 PM
davymid: as for your other questions ]]\\\

1> love, the key lesson of true religion is love. With true religion based on love, we'll be able to bump science's efficiency up several notches, because people won't be making scientific devices for fame, fortune, and personal glory, but for their love of mankind, and for all of mankind.

2> yes, i understand how the theoriies and understanidng of science works, but you must understand from the point above, that some times people just want make a name for themselves and reap the benefits of selfishness.. a perfect example is a previous IAB post that showed how Thomas Edison took the glory from Nikola Tesla.

3> He's our God, yours, mine, the guy on the other side of the planet and everyone. There's only one true and living God. And as for the rest about this question, you'll need to look over my other post..

\/ \/

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:16:50 PM
davymid: elkingo had a Good post.

My understanding is this world is perishing, meaning, there is a time coming when the world will perish. It's perishing because we've let wickedness and sin grow and abound, while muzzling and distorting love.

God's love is unconditional, and He is extending his hand, offering us a way out of this perishing world. God would prefer all people come to understand His love, then any perish with the world. But despite God's love for mankind, some people will choose to reject God's love right up to the very last. God is love, and He is not going to force his love on to anyone. He has provided us the lessons to know him, and the promise of finding Him if we seek Him.

Those who chose who reject God's love may have nothing to latch on to when the world finally perishes, and perish with the world. It is going to be a very sad. Because while there were many chances to be saved, ultimately, their choice was not to be.

ChainsawNbud
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 745 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 7:22:42 AM
After having studied the issue since I was a child, I have come to believe that organized religion is nothing but a means to control people (and therefore their money), and a way for stupid people to explain that which they do not understand.

But I also believe your ability to choose a religion is (in most countries) your right.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3418 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:16:53 AM
"Am I going to burn in hell for all eternity, if I die today of a heart attack?"

I do not claim to know the answer. It simply isn't my place to judge others. I think the better question here is, do you think if you die today will you burn in Hell? It isn't my place to work out your salvation.

However, your conditions and definition on love somewhat confuse me. Perhaps it is also how you define Hell.

The love portion in unconditional. God is love, and loves his creation. That is what I have came to understand.

However, and perhaps this is where you err, Heaven is a reward for faith, not a condition of love.

You look at and define Hell in the comic book and movie sense where its all firey and demons roam as rapists. You may be right, and I have been looking at things wrong. However, I look at Hell as a place void of God. Also, eternity is a measured amount of time, not permanent.

Hope that helps.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25760 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:00:13 AM
@davymid: I've heard the "God = Love" explained a couple of ways.
I attended a fundamentalist Christian High School, eh?
#1: God>>>>humans>goldfish.
Humans feel sad when goldfish die, but it's not a "sin" to kill them, right? God is SO much higher on the "food chain" that his killing us or sending us to hell is NOT immoral, since HE knows it's all for the best.
>A whimpy answer: it falls into the "we cannot understand it" catagory.

#2: Because God created US, it's OUR duty to obey his rules and OUR fault if we fail!
>Bleh! If God's so much better than us, why isn't hHe better at understanding our transgressions?

Both do address that it IS 'conditional love', at least as far as we can tell.

It's the Muslims who REALLY have a nasty hell!

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11232 Posts
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:10:17 AM
"You say God's love in unconditional, but it's f*cking not. It's conditional on you being a Christian.

That is not unconditional, it's the very definition of "with conditions". The conditions being, you HAVE TO BE A CHRISTIAN. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO BE F*CKED IN THE ASS BY DEMONS FROM HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.

Sorry, but that message, for me, is f*cking abhorrent and disgusting in the extreme.

Davy out. Keep preaching. If the God you describe is the boss of all, then he's a c*nt, and I want nothing to do with him."

Davymid

Im with you all the way

jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 173 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:57:41 PM
brandonegc- I don't recall the narrator asking people to abandon their beliefs. He only asks that we take a critical look at HOW they are formed. Is that bad? You go on to paint yourself as some hip lovable Christian and than call the guy a douchebag because what he had to say offended your sensibilities. I am curious to know what you got from the video. Were you able to listen to it's message objectively, or did you automatically reject it because it went against one of your personal beliefs?

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:18:52 PM
TheGuySmiley, I asked you three questions/challenges. Of course you're no under obligation to answer them, but I'd be interested to hear your take.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:56:23 PM
Alright, let's boil this down. Elkingo and Smiley, you're both obviously intelligent people, but please answer the question.

I am an atheist. I don't believe in f*ck all, unless there's evidence for it. Am I going to burn in hell for all eternity, if I die today of a heart attack?

You say God's love in unconditional, but it's f*cking not. It's conditional on you being a Christian.

That is not unconditional, it's the very definition of "with conditions". The conditions being, you HAVE TO BE A CHRISTIAN. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO BE F*CKED IN THE ASS BY DEMONS FROM HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.

Sorry, but that message, for me, is f*cking abhorrent and disgusting in the extreme.

Davy out. Keep preaching. If the God you describe is the boss of all, then he's a c*nt, and I want nothing to do with him.

brandonegc
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 26 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:37:01 PM
I don't think condoms are sin although I feel abortion is an option that should not be taken lightly, I support gay marriage, I would never start a f*cking world war over my religion, I don't think we should ban evolution from text books from classrooms, I believe everyone should be aloud to practice any religion or lack thereof and all that sh*t. I believe in a God and I believe there was a really cool and wise dude named Jesus. I may not sound like a Christian, but I am. So, dear guy in this video, can I keep my religion? Oh, and drop that stupid f*cking tone of voice. Trying to sound sympathetic, you're just a condescending douchebag.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 4:44:44 PM
elkingo: i really admired what you wrote, i wish i could express myself just as well. well done.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:42:55 PM
Everything, and I do mean everything can be explained by learning and scientific reasoning. Reality is cold and hard, but warmth can be found within it if you open your mind.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 1:16:49 PM
"Jesus was essentially a socialist", John. Go back and read the fairy tale you're denying now.

jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 173 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 12:48:27 PM
Wow, what a well written piece. He really asked some great questions and presented some facts that are constantly in our face yet we remain completely blind to for the most part. And then... everyone personalizes it and starts arguing about religion lol. This almost completely muddles what the message the video was trying to convey. People really need to clear their minds and ask themselves these very important questions and really think about why they believe what they believe!

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:17:14 AM
the devil wrote the bible to make you lose the way to god

zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2524 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:44:59 AM
Okay, but...can we still wear little hats?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:39:46 AM
I do not believe in organized religion. Every religion contradicts another. I think it is all a fabrication to control the masses. But at the same time you can not prove to me there is no God. The same as you can not prove that there is a God. That is why I am Agnostic.

AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 1004 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:05:51 AM
I love statements like this: "Jesus was essentially a socialist".

Might as well make idiotic statements like "Moses was essentially an environmentalist" or "Mohammed was essentially a feminist, pro-gay-marriage, Obama supporter with a strong feeling about the Keystone Pipeline."

Applying modern economic or political conceits to people who lived hundreds or thousands of years ago is so moronic it's pointless to even debate with such a brain-dead half-wit.

Andicicle
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 470 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 7:40:39 AM
Surprise surprise, asked to confront basic fundamental truths, out pops an idiotic theological debate. :: groans::

Dr4k
Male, 18-29, Western US
 578 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:48:19 AM
I don't have a problem with most religions that preach love and compassion (which is a good deal in my experience) It's when the majority of those that claim to be a part of that religion subscribe to a doctrine of hate and discrimination. Jesus was essentially a socialist but our most right wing fundamentalist christian politicians are so anti-socialism it's almost funny. This is only an example but there are many others of why I initially rejected Christianity and started looking at other faiths. I've come to a point where I don't believe in any god, I believe in being a decent human being. i believe religions in addition to trying to explain the phenomena around them were also an attempt to try to make people able to work together in a society. A cultural tool to promote goodness and a sense of belonging within a community. I don't care what you believe as long as you are a decent person.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3418 Posts
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:47:47 AM
For those reasons, I rebuke local churches. However, and while most would rebuke religion as a whole. I have a naturally inquisitive mind. I like to know about society, culture, faiths, etc.

I studied other philosophies and faiths. Much to the dismay of my community, I developed my own beliefs. Who knows, maybe if I was in some other society things would have been different. I do not doubt that.

However, I am who I am, and I studied what I did, and I concluded what I did.

Having faith does not make one weak, or ignorant. It also does not make one militant. Yes, Christianity has a lot of morons in it (Have you seen Oldollie and Cracker's posts? LOL!) That does not mean the whole of Christianity is nothing but ignorant people who reject the entire scientific community.


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