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My Illegal Abortion

Hits: 9896 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: DrProfessor
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SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:26:02 PM
FuriousC, I know of no one who supports bringing any harm to human infants. I think fuzzysheep does a good job of explaining the pro-choice position regarding zygotes and fetuses and the general timelines involved. Bringing harm to a human infant is a crime in every city and state in the country.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:23:26 PM
faustsshadow, I agree that changing one's mind is not hypocrisy. However, taking a choice, exercising it, and then, later, deciding to actively make that choice unavailable for others, *is* hypocrisy. There's nothing wrong with counseling and explaining regrets to those who are seeking advice. There is nothing wrong with letting one's view and experience be known. But to deny others a choice you willingly took? That's hypocrisy. I don't care how long it's been, I don't care your experiences since. To deny another the choice you had and took, is hypocrisy.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 179 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:22:18 PM
*damnit, just read my earlier post, consciousness not conscience

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 179 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:07:05 PM
@FuriousC, we don't consider it a human infant, until roughly 6 months in it doesn't have anything that could be considered a functioning brain to suck out.

FuriousC
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 38 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:05:24 PM
I find it ironic the same group of people who fight for the "rights" of the delta smelt minnow have absolutely no problem sucking the brains out of a human infant. I don't care either way, that's on your conscious not mine. Just find it a bit odd is all.

Jakk88
Male, 18-29, Europe
 44 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:57:55 PM
@mesovortex you just reminded me of this Monty Python sketch.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 179 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:57:32 PM
5cats, by my definition her child is not dead, it just never came into existence as its own entity. It is as dead as all the children never to have been conceived. Please understand that your definition of life and death is not universal.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 179 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:54:42 PM
I will attempt, again, to define this debate.

Pro-life: mostly believe that it is a human being in it's own right from the moment of conception.
Therefore all types of abortion = murder

Pro-choice: mostly believe that it is not a human in it's own right until some point closer to full term. Until that point it is only a potential human being.
Therefore not all types of abortion = murder

I fall in the second camp, I believe it's only a human being when it develops its own conscience at around 6 months in. Therefore, up until that point it is not a human and therefore it is not murder.

Jang
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:54:37 PM
@5Cats: Try reading the whole article. She does talk about the baby and talks about all the grief it got her. I've known two women who had abortions, and none of them didn't feel guilt about it.

Here's an advice: try to tailor your posts to the actual content of what is discussed instead of just spouting the same rhetoric over and over. You'll look less like an idiot.

faustsshadow
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 372 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:53:16 PM
mesovortex,

By that logic no woman should even be able to tell a guy that he has to pay child support. It's a bullpoo argument. I am a human so I have a right to object at the murder of other humans.

Jakk88
Male, 18-29, Europe
 44 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:52:05 PM
@5cats The Holocaust was in 1944, so that's not relevant now either? Thus, we should have a new holocaust because it might go better than last time and all those people that died are irrelevant now, right?

Also, I think you missed "For years, I counted the days and months — how old the child would be if the pregnancy had not been terminated. The guilt was overwhelming."

ME ME ME! It's all about ME! = Religion
Making people force their own beliefs on others.
A secularist society is the way forward because it doesn't govern others because of religious beliefs.

faustsshadow
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 372 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:51:52 PM
I am absolutely pro-choice. And pro-taking responsibility for those choices. Whether or not people have sex without thinking of the consequences is not part of the issue, SmagBoy - nor is one's virginity. (I waited, by the way, and not because I had no other options.)

Also - hypocrisy is not changing one's mind. Now, if someone has an abortion while at the same time declaring that abortions are wrong, that is hypocrisy. To look back at past actions and decide that you erred and to change accordingly - well, that's called maturity.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 451 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:51:51 PM
5Cats:
Yup, you're a guy. You have no uterus. You cannot bear children. You have no room to talk at all about what women can or can't do with their body.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3775 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:48:03 PM
That was a interesting. I couldn't imagine how terrified she must have been to have a doc poking her with a wire like that. Truthfully, she sounds like a waste of flesh, but no one should have to go thru such an ordeal, just to have control of their destiny.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26278 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:23:14 PM
What utter crap! 1967? To try and compare then as if it were now is so stupid it's painful.

Speaking of stupid: this woman thinks everyone should feel sorry for HER but spares not one second os sorrow for her dead child. Nice!

ME ME ME! It's all about ME! = abortion

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:11:23 PM
Perfect description, DrProfessor. Thank you for a great article

I often ask on comment boards if folks think that no Christian woman, no Republican woman has ever had an abortion. That's what blows my mind the most. That they had one (or two or three), but that they've now come to see it as a sin and don't want anyone else to have the choice that they had. I love that hypocrisy.

I don't know what to say. I'm a male. I will NEVER pretend to even dream that I could cast a vote that would limit a woman's right to this choice. To me, it's unconscionable to even consider it. And this article eloquently demonstrates one tale of why. And before anyone says, "If you don't want a baby, don't have sex" let me ask you how many people you know, male or female, who were virgins when they got married (and were also able to support a child when they first had sex)? I'm going to guess the percentage is awfully low, regardless of the side of the aisle you're from.

Squidbush
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 614 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:03:40 PM
No clicky.

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:50:58 PM
Link: My Illegal Abortion [Rate Link] - Absolutely chilling. A personal take on current issues.

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