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My Illegal Abortion

Hits: 9735 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: DrProfessor
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DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3878 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 5:39:44 AM
@jimbobsthebe--The reason a compromise can't exist is because those with the pro-life stance believe that these are humans being murdered. I don't agree with them, but I realize that they're not going to just agree to let it happen, when they believe that these developing fetuses are dying babies.

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3878 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 5:34:35 AM
To be fair, she aimed a lot of her anger at men, and that stuck in my craw a little. We're not all going to run at the first sign of danger.

@5cats--What's so incomparable between now and 1967?

Is an abortion any less emotional, or traumatizing? Do people have an easier time dealing with an unplanned pregnancy?

If you're suggesting that our methods have improved beyond the wire, are you promoting back-alley abortions and a victorian compromise (i.e. we know you're doing it, and we'll let it happen as long as we don't hear about it)?

To everyone saying "abortions are legal," you clearly didn't read. The so-named "illegal abortion" happened in 1967, before Roe v. Wade.

jimbobsthebe
Male, 18-29, Europe
 642 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 5:20:01 AM
How about a fair compromise guys? If you don't agree with abortions then simply don't have them.

Those that don't have a problem, they can choose whether or not to.

Sound fair?

champbronc4
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 40 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 5:15:47 AM
I;m confused.. abortion is legal

nubblins
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1753 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 4:33:02 AM
I woke up today and abortion is still legal.

Have a nice day!

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2092 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 1:44:39 AM
also @ emmettyville

"abortion is glossed over as a proceedure and there is no thought of the actual mechanics of what happens.eg a babies limbs being sucked off it's body while it is fully concious"

Please could you provide some independent medical evidence that fetuses are 'fully concious [sic]'?

not pro-life propoganda material... just some solid, reliable, independent medical evidence that proves that a fetus is fully conscious.





Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2092 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 1:35:48 AM
@emmettyville

I hate how this phrase 'legitimate rape' has entered every day usage.

We generally don't put the word 'legitimate' in front of other crimes - like when was the last time you heard someone talk about legitimate shop-lifting, or legitimate arson?

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4113 Posts
Friday, August 31, 2012 12:04:50 AM
another thing, after reading all the comments....men SHOULD have a say in this, the babies that are conceived are half theirs after all. I cant imagine how this would affect a male, having no choice or say in whether or not his child was aborted.

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4113 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:58:01 PM
cont....and that her family was so awful that she felt she could not look to them for support. there is something seriously wrong with a society that allows it's woman to be put in such positions. You lot (americans, and probably everyone come to think of it) should make teens watch abortion videos and look at pictures of aborted babies, and see the number of abortions plummet. Just as people buy meat in a supermarket all freshly packaged and think nothing of how it got there or it had to die to get there, abortion is glossed over as a proceedure and there is no thought of the actual mechanics of what happens.eg a babies limbs being sucked off it's body while it is fully concious, or burned alive with a saline solution, or even induced and then murdered. No matter which way you look at it, it's a vile process that ends in the death of a human being.

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4113 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:51:00 PM
people who legitimize abortion saying it's not a life untill so and so age make me sick. Abortion is killing a child right from conception, it's taking away a humans right to life.Sure, in very exceptional cases, eg legitimate rape, serious child abnormality or serious danger to a mothers life, abortion should be an option. There is little stigma involved in pre marriage parents these days. Babies have no trouble finding adoptive parents. Legalise abortion in the USA has made people lazy, it's now used as a preventative instead of using contraception or simply not having sex. ffs, it's not like there arn't a multitude of other ways to have sex with out getting pregnant. 52% of black american pregnancys end in abortion. I dont beleive in any sort of religion, but my concience could never live with taking the life of a defenceless unborn child. I'm anto abortion all the way. Whats wrong with that article was not the abortion, but that she got pregnant in the first place,

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2445 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:28:45 PM
Fuzzysheep, I hope you realize that 20 weeks is kind of a lot. You're talking 5 months of a fetus growing inside of you. A fetus can actually viable as early as 24 weeks (as per Roe v. Wade).

Really though, if you're aborting at 20 weeks that's just creepy. I'm not even pro-life, but if you have the heart to abort at 20 weeks, for no dramatic reason, you are creepy.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2445 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:19:02 PM
"I shudder to think it could be illegal again"


No. Stop. Trying to stir up voters by scaring them with an untrue scenario.

This happens too much. I really have only minimal sympathies for something that happened to somebody in 1967. It's like they wished we still lived back then so these stories were still relevant.

tatripp
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1200 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:02:22 PM
The chilling thing is that she doesn't regret the abortion. She had her child murdered because she made a mistake and didn't want to change her life to make up for the mistake.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 161 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:38:24 PM
Just wondering An-egg and 5cats, do you believe you should be legally able to abort a 20 week old foetus? Or do you believe abortion = murder no matter when?

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 161 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:35:07 PM
@5cats, no "with exception" leaves wiggle room for situations where the foetus has a very low survival chance and could cause serious damage to the mother. If the law didn't have any exceptions young mothers could be legally obliged to die giving birth to a baby with a zero percent survival rate and that would be absurd.

Now I'll admit, I don't know the full set up in America but if what you say is true then the law needs changing. Don't make abortions illegal but don't allow babies to be aborted past 24 weeks except for cases like above. Does that make sense to you or do you want all abortions banning full stop?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21813 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:28:09 PM
@fuzzysheep: That's your nation, however "with exceptions" tells it ALL!
Canada = NO LAW at all! None! Any abortion, for any 'reason' is paid for by the gov't.
USA = NO restriction, some abortions paid for by Gov't, others not, but 9 month abortion is LEGAL everywhere!

@An_Egg: Abortion survivours have no rigths either, nice find! Even if you are "Born Alive" thay can legally leave you to die.
How does THAT constitute aborting a "fetus"? It's my body, even if it's dieing in the next room?

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 161 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:26:37 PM
@An-egg, sorry, I missed the part where I was arguing for late term abortions, I made it very clear that I think aborting past 6 months is out of order as from that point on it is a human being in its own right. I fail to see how the story of a 7 month old baby being aborted and living goes against what I'm saying.

A minority of late term abortions does not justify making all abortions illegal, just have tighter controls on late term abortions

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1757 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:08:25 PM
Legal? No, a right. I am a man,so I support womens right to decide. I also carry a gun.Try to take THAT right.They are NOT rights if they can be taken away.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 788 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:03:43 PM
@fuzzysheep look at my post.
Abortions in the US allow viable kids to be "aborted" some of them fail to die.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 161 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:42:06 PM
@5cats "6 months is a myth" - no, in the UK, it's the law, only in exceptional cases, ie. rape, serious danger to the mother, seriously damaged foestus etc. will there be an abortion after this point. There are exceptions but focusing on them is unhelpful.

It doesn't make sense to me to call a bundle of cells a human being and an 8 month old foetus clearly is one. Why chose either extreme? Let's sit down and sensibly work out at what point this thing becomes a human in it's own right. I say when the brain comes together to the point where it starts to function ie. 6 months in or so.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 788 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18:29 PM
and here's a legal abortion

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21813 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:56:20 PM
However, taking a choice, exercising it, and then, later, deciding to actively make that choice unavailable for others, *is* hypocrisy.

@SmagBoy: When I was 19 I drove my car while drunk.
I made that mistake, BUT I don't go around demanding that others ALSO can drive while drunk, do i? THAT is still hypocricy in your books?
LEGALIZE DRUNK DRIVING! Get your laws off my Oldsmobile!

FuriousC, I know of no one who supports bringing any harm to human infants.

Ah! They're not "human" right? They are "untermenchen"! Sub-humans! Animals! Blobs of meat! They don't deserve equal rights to the Master Race!
Perhaps now @Jakk88 will see the holocaust connection...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21813 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:48:06 PM
try to tailor your posts to the actual content of what is discussed... You'll look less like an idiot.

@Jang: No, I'll still look like an idiot! Welcome to IAB!

@mesovortex: Women have NO right to tell a man what to do! Black people have NO right to tell white people what to do! (/sarc, get it?)
@faustsshadow was bang-on accurate in his reply!

@Jakk88: "The guilt I felt" = ME ME ME! She didn't alter her beliefs, she still thinks it's perfectly OK to kill babies! HOW is that feeling sorry for anyone other than herself?
1967 vs 2012: Contaception is CHEAP and available EVERYWHERE! Abortion is LEGAL. Also: single motherhood is SUPPORTED by virtually everyone, especially the Gov't.

THAT is why this article is idiotic.

@fuzzysheep: conception, seperate DNA and birth. Those are the only 3 NON-arbitrary stages of developement. "6 months" is a myth, abortions are carried out up to the day of delivery (9 months)

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1757 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:28:30 PM
We must stop the republican/Nazi machine.

thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3246 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:17:38 PM
So now we are supposed to have a plan for all the outliers too? I don't think it's fiscally feasible.

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