 ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2184 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:16:37 PM
it lowers it 3 whole points.... i mean come on, really, now they're just grasping at straws |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2868 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:39:02 PM
'The part I think people keep missing is that this is talking about adolescents, kids in high school.'
Perhaps their reading comprehension has been impaired. |
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 jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
2249 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:57:10 PM
are they back to this crap???
there have been tons of other studies that have debunked this crap ages ago. |
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 kayakdog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
48 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:53:42 PM
Is there documentation in this study of alcohol or any other drug use in the 1000 people that were followed? When they say that even after stopping, users that started in their teens do not fully recover intelligence, what does that mean? They were quick to say you can lose 8 IQ points - if you quit do you gain back 1? 3? 7? It can harm those that are "average" - what about kids that were sadly already stupid? Or of above average intelligence? There could be some basis in truth here, but there is not nearly enough evidence to truly back it up as anything other than scientific conjecture. |
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 adam432823
Male, 30-39, Western US
262 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:46:58 PM
The part I think people keep missing is that this is talking about adolescents, kids in high school. They're saying it affects a growing mind.
"Prof Moffitt said adolescent brains appeared 'more vulnerable to damage and disruption' from cannabis than those of fully mature adults." |
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 jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
213 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:27:21 PM
was there a control group? also what were the circumstances of the people tested? this is crap. 8 percent is nothing, everyone loses knowledge over time. thats why the show "Who's smarter than a 5th grader" works so well. pure bullpoo from the duke center |
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 antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
475 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:01:26 PM
Bull. Funded by the Duke Center for child and Family Policy. Agenda much... |
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 ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
5541 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:54:35 PM
Sometimes being ignorant leads to a better life,
you dont worry about news, pooe going on, you just go on about your business, a lot of whack heads I know lead happier lives than most |
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 DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
3525 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:48:34 PM
Are you kidding me? You mean that someone won't perform as well in an academic assessment once they've been out of school for roughly 14 years or more? I'm shocked. |
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 CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2993 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:38:51 PM
sample of only 1000 people? and only 1 of 20 used at an early age? so 50 people is the real sample size being disputed?
also they claim that the early age smokes (small sample size of 50) dropped about 8 points and they say "Although eight points did not sound much, it was not trivial, she warned"
a quick search on IQ tests and you can find that the reliability of IQ tests has about 3 point standard deviation. so in other words, the odds are about two out of three that a person's true IQ is in range from three points above to three points below the test IQ = range of 6 points.
my guess is that any real statistician could prove these results to be far from statistically significant.
in other words: this is most likely bullpoo |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:28:58 PM
Funny how this version of the article does not point out the flaw in the study - that they did not bother to find out if the kids were also drinkers, and if so how much did they drink? Sounds to me like a study with an agenda with no regard for the truth. |
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 thubanstar
Female, 40-49, Southern US
777 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:12:14 PM
I wonder what the statistics are for teenage alcohol users? |
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 mon360
Male, 13-17, Southern US
741 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:58:02 PM
k im just gonna believe this random article, but honestly i'll try pot at least once in my life but i'll never smoke it erryday |
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 adamslily
Female, 13-17, Southern US
29 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:56:10 PM
“Adolescent-onset cannabis users, but not adult-onset cannabis users, showed marked IQ decline from childhood to adulthood."
i'm good :D |
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 Slotherder
Male, 30-39, Western US
240 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:49:25 PM
I think IbBored is mixing up the Calgary study with the AMA study. The Calgary study is ongoing and has not released any information on lung damage that I have been able to find. The AMA study had over 5000 participants. However, funny enough, the AMA study concluded that at smoking pot 20 times a month, you are likely to do the same amount of damage as if you smoked 120 cigs a month. Smoke more pot than that, and you're doing more damage than smoking cigs. |
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 AntPharm
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
929 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:45:52 PM
It's a risk I'm willing to take |
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 CaptainPabst
Male, 18-29, Western US
1253 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:38:03 PM
New Research Says Smoking Pot Makes You Much Less Brainwashed Than the Average Slave Err Uhh We Mean Citizen |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2868 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:32:56 PM
'Except for the 20 year study UofC did on cannabis on over 5000 participants with the conclusion that smoking pot 'regularly' causes no long term lung damage.'
Again, this is about teenage use. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1068 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:29:41 PM
I think it really flies against all logic to think that something like Marijuana has no side effects.
And, surprise, they're finding more about the side effects of alcohol every day.
http://www.worldpharmanews.com/research/2182-first-evidence-from-humans-on-how-alcohol-may-boost-risk-of-cancer
Of course these substances have side effects. |
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 SethDog
Male, 18-29, Australia
462 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:27:36 PM
Yeap I can tell from my own personal experience. I used to have very good vocal skills and now I always forget words and meanings and talk like bloody Ozzy Osbourne sometimes. I really wish I stayed away from any drugs. |
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 Tekinette
Male, 18-29, Europe
255 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:27:26 PM
"...and yet the greatest ideas come when you're high."
they sound great because you're high... |
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 IbBored
Male, 13-17, Canada
72 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:26:33 PM
Except for the 20 year study UofC did on cannabis on over 5000 participants with the conclusion that smoking pot 'regularly' causes no long term lung damage.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. |
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Tekinette
Male, 18-29, Europe
255 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:24:41 PM
Doing any drugs daily while your brain is still evolving is a very bad idea... And drinking a lot of alcohol regularly even when you're an adult does that too. |
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 Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
724 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:23:42 PM
I'm as smart as I ever were. |
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Demynted
Male, 30-39, Western US
78 Posts
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:19:08 PM
More subjective studies with the findings reflecting the sponsor's views. The only thing capable of lowering an individuals IQ is brain trauma. We're not talking smoking a little grass, we're taking severe head injury accompanied by brain damage. |
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