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Research Says Smoking Pot Lowers Your IQ For Good

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Buiadh
Male, 18-29, Europe
 6651 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:25:40 PM
@carmium - Indeed.

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:37:28 PM
@elkingo: "For testing, however, we (psychological researchers) use the actual score provided by the tests."

I really hope you psychological researchers are using more data points to produces your published results than 5 data points (year 18, 21, 26, 32, 38) for 50 samples.

face it. there is not enough data hear to prove its right, whether or not it really is true, the research scope of work is too narrow minded to provide the claim that its making. those that started the research just didn't plain enough ahead.

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:33:57 PM
@elkingo: you seem to not be able to grasp statistical data for research. a sample size of 50 is incredibly small, given the scope of the experiment. what you fail to grasp here is the variables. in a study like this where there are so many variables (in the way they were able to lead there own lives and be influenced by other means like alcohol, other "harder" drugs, social status, income bracket, culture, and others. you quickly realize that only 50 people is very small.

as far as providing an "exact" number only means that thats what their data said, only a fool would not give a number based off measurement without a margin of error. its the basis of all scientific data. and the method of standard deviation is the basis for all statistical data when the data is used to "try" to show a trend of correlation


carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 5678 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:20:25 PM
I kinda think anything with a degree of toxicity, including tobacco and alcohol, would slowly erode your IQ if you took enough of it.

Andicicle
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 458 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:10:45 PM
Fortunately, I seem to be an exception to this study. I have smoked, eaten, and vaporized cannabis since I was twelve years of age. My tri annual intelligence quotient test, which is administered to me even into my adult years by a friend who is a college professor has only varied slightly since second grade, and always has the deviation been upwards.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:52:23 PM
@CoyoteKing:
"a quick search on IQ tests and you can find that the reliability of IQ tests has about 3 point standard deviation"

This is misleading. They also provide an "exact" number. We use a 3 point range +/- for reports because it is a more conservative and safe model.

For testing, however, we (psychological researchers) use the actual score provided by the tests.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:50:21 PM
@CoyoteKing 1000 total participants with 50 subjects in any one group can hold more power than you can imagine. Considering it was a repeated study (being within subjects) it lends more power to the actual study. However, 50 for a preliminary study is a large number. I would think that this is the first study of this nature as well.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:48:16 PM
@Ajikan: Yea, I would assume so too. I'd like to read the actual article for this study. I wonder when it will hit archives.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:47:19 PM
@DrProfessor: IQ tests are not evaluations of academic performance.

Ajikan
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1538 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:47:00 PM
I only assume they follow the standard practice of giving age appropriate tests. Different tests are used for children than adults.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:46:45 PM
jops360 -- control isn't necessary for IQ tests -- considering the efforts to validate the tests themselves. These sorts of tests on reliability and validity have been repeated heavily. We already know the "norm".

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:45:05 PM
@ledzeppeloyd

It dropped IQ 8 points, that is nearly 1 standard deviation. Which may not sound impressive, but truly is a remarkable finding. Granted, the difference in the mid range isn't that much, per se.. on the extremes it is quite a lot.

For example, if the base IQ was say, 83 -- loosing 8 points gives them MMR.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:40:18 PM
@OldOllie it recovers some, but not fully. However, and what is more interesting is this study shows the implications of using cannabis over time.

If you started as a teen, you have permanent cognitive deficits.

If you started in your 20's, and quit a year before final testing, there was *some* recovery.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:38:19 PM
@Ajikan: "IQ is not scored the same way for kids as it is for adults. Actually the score on young kids get a higher score than the test done on adults."

That statement is simply wrong and misleading.

It really depends on the test, but assuming they probably utilizes the WISC IV for children, and the WAIS IV for adults, the tests themselves have valid and reliable measures (which have been tested, and retested to the extremes) which are good indicators of IQ. The researchers would have definitely utilized appropriate test materials.

source: I am a Clinical Psychology Graduate Student

Ajikan
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1538 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:12:46 PM
his study has been disproved.
IQ is not scored the same way for kids as it is for adults. Actually the score on young kids get a higher score than the test done on adults. And I seriously doubt any factors are included in this study besides cannabis.
Pure bs.

Agent00Smith
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1909 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:49:26 PM
It also prevents pregnancy along with mountain dew!

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2552 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:47:27 PM
Weed is great, that being said I smoke it too often, that is why I've stopped.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11746 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:45:47 PM
@madest -- Exactly.


chickiesue86
Male, 70 & Over, Canada
 273 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:27:52 PM
most people over think things anyways. i mean you don't have to have a high iq to be unemployed or working minimum wage for a corporation, which is what most teenagers these days have to look forward to anyways thanks to capitalism lol

whyteman
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 97 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:06:17 PM
Propaganda.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:51:56 PM
Yeah. Old Ollies a genius like I am an astronaut. 420 peeps!

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2474 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:43:24 PM
We got lots of pot fans here.

soundman655
Male, 50-59, Canada
 1345 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:40:53 PM
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD.. ...WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11746 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:35:42 PM
If you read the article, it says that if you quit, your IQ recovers. So I guess "permanent" doesn't quite mean what these geniuses think it means.

BTW. I smoked for years BEFORE I joined TNS and ISPE

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10289 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:19:10 PM
I can spare 8 points, so no reason not to take up pot smoking.

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