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Rape Similar To Having A Baby Out Of Wedlock

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KingVandal
Male, 18-29, Western US
 75 Posts
Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:20:46 AM
if you are ever raped, he probably votes republican.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 837 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:23:59 PM
It is no surprise that he is confused, he was a Democrat until last year.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:57:53 AM
@patchgrabber: I just don't see it that way. Here's a quote (what I assume to be the statements in question?) from our source:

However, he stumbled when asked about how he would convince a daughter or granddaughter who was the victim of a rape that she should carry her potential child to term.

Mr. Smith replied that he "lived something similar to that with my own family, and she chose life. I commend her for that."


To me, he is comparing the act of convincing his daughter to keep the child to the act of convincing a hypothetical daughter who was the victim of a rape to keep the child. In my opinion, he does not directly compare the act of rape, only the act of convincing the mother to keep the child.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:50:19 AM
So instead of being happy for his daughter and her boyfriend he had the same emotional reaction as he would if she had been raped, all because they were not married? What a horrible father.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5689 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:08:05 AM
@HA: He denied that getting pregnant out of wedlock is similar to getting pregnant from rape, but he DID compare the emotional trauma of both of these as similar.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6457 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:14:15 AM
And there are waiting lists for parents who would love to adopt the little rape babies. So that argument doesn't fly. Is the term rape-baby politically incorrect?
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Yeah that's why there are orphanages and foster homes to house these unwanted babies until the adoptive mothers step forward. Rape babies to the fore!

@LordJim, EXACTLY!

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4270 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:13:21 AM
If you are pro-life then don't have an abortion. Don't force your choices onto the women who are actually affected.

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1503 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:08:05 AM
@madest, I'm not a republican, I'm libertarian.
I'm saying, if a pro-lifer thinks a baby is human at conception, except babies from rape, that doesn't make sense. Okay?
And there are waiting lists for parents who would love to adopt the little rape babies. So that argument doesn't fly. Is the term rape-baby politically incorrect?

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 299 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:24:07 PM
dingdingdong.. he said "no. no.no. but.." and i teach just about everyone that a but after a yes or a no means basicly the opposite. for example.. Did you like that movie? yes, but it was to long. Or do you like icecream? no, but i think i can eat one once a day.

And yes, arguing with the examples is obviously easy but the principle stays true, try it out... a "no, but.." implies a yes and a "yes, but.." implies a no.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6457 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:03:59 PM
Republicans can't stop stickin their foot in it.
Like this:
Also, kind of on a side note, I don't understand how someone can be pro-life, except when raped. WTF? If you're pro-life, then how does rape make the child worth less? They need to at least stay consistent.
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Kind of like imagining everyone being forced to have every baby no matter what and not wanting to pay any more in taxes for supporting unwanted babies.

ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2304 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:29:15 PM
and people vote for people like this

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11773 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:24:49 PM
Not unless she's 5.

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1503 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:44:03 PM
That's not what he said. He was just explaining the toll on him as a father for having a daughter get pregnant out of wedlock, which could happen in a rape case too, and that was hard enough without the rape. When he was asked if he was comparing the two, he said "No, no, no."
Freaking people taking things out of context and to the extreme. Of course he wasn't saying rape = pregnancy out of wedlock.

Also, kind of on a side note, I don't understand how someone can be pro-life, except when raped. WTF? If you're pro-life, then how does rape make the child worth less? They need to at least stay consistent.

If the baby's viable (25 weeks?), you shouldn't be able to kill it, seems straight forward to me. Otherwise, why stop there...2 month old cries too much? Just kill him. What's the difference?

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10000 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:45:24 PM
Fwoggie2 -
talking about America here, highly religious, Us in Europe are more laid back on such

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10000 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:42:48 PM
My partner is a midwife, and out of complete ignorance, and scientific knowledge, I asked this question, and pointed her to this post, she said and I quote "fecking twats" nuff said I think

ZetaRet
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:19:39 PM
@DrProfessor

Don't forget, now it's two weeks before conception in Arizona.

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:54:19 PM
Ok, let's keep rehashing the republican platform. They believe that from the moment of conception, the mass of cells inside you is a living human being. Therefore there is no situation in which you should be allowed to exterminate it, be it rape, inconvenience, health, or anything else.

I don't agree, but I just don't understand why people keep getting outraged every time they repeat something they've always believed.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3395 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:41:58 PM
And exaggeration is similar to lying.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4956 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:41:10 PM
Markust123

"I think it is still the 1950's in certain parts of America."

They want it to be. That is what they mean by code phrases like "a return to traditional values". They want women in the kitchen, homos in the closet, hispanics in mexico, and blacks in the ghetto. They reflect on the 50s and early 60s as being the greatest time in American history.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 837 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:17:14 PM
What a dumbass! How can they be similar when rape victims can't get pregnant because the woman has an off switch for her ovaries that she can press if she is raped? Sheesh!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:05:48 PM
Asked if having a child out of wedlock is similar to rape, he replied: "No, no, no, but put yourself in a father's position, yes. It is similar. This isn't ..." He trailed off, then continued: "But back to the original [question], I'm pro-life, period."

Am I the only one who read this and thought, this isn't at all what is being claimed he said? Seems like a massive reach to me as he clearly states that - to the woman involved - it is not similar. Did I misunderstand this?

That being said, the belief that life begins at conception is absurd (in my opinion).

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:26:49 PM
I think it is still the 1950's in certain parts of America.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5343 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:35:44 PM
Mmm- yeah, but to refer to it as a child out of wedlock?? Marriage is not exactly something I would want my children to do- a big waste of money for no good reason. To be honest- single parents are fine too- it is just this multiple father stuff that is worrisome.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:53:33 AM
well it is
just like Vehicular homicide is the same as fishing without license

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:37:38 AM
Madduck, I will refer you to what I just wrote. The people who should care are the people who care about fighting poverty and social disarray. That's a problem this creates.

Nobody really cares if they're not married, as long as they're together. But if the father is delinquent, or if he's unknown - this is generally bad for society as a whole.

But I don't care about defending this guy. I just want to highlight the distinctions here.

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