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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:58:38 AM
ROFL oh Europe sure you can fix him.... |
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 HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1139 Posts
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Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:06:24 AM
@Musuko42: They can study him whilst he's imprisoned to learn more about the psychology behind what he did, and why, which might help in future cases.
Now that's a reasonable argument I hadn't considered. I don't necessarily agree that the potential payoffs are worth the costs of keeping him detained, but that is certainly a point that I did not consider.
Anyway, does there need to be a pragmatic reason beyond their country feeling that it is morally unacceptable to kill him?
No; I understand they have laws and different morals than we do; they shouldn't change those either, so the sentence is fine. I'm more stating that I don't understand the concept of denying a death penalty.
@MattPrince: You sir, make me believe that there is hope yet for Europe. This is a no-brainer to me - he should be killed. |
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 KingKirk
Male, 40-49, Europe
2 Posts
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Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:39:32 AM
Brevivik was not sentenced to prison the american way. This is Norway and not USA and in Norway they have different forms of prison sentences, one of them and the one Breviivk received is best translated as "Caretaking".
Caretaking means that when his 21 years are up, his sentence can be prolonged in 5 year intervals, indefinitely. And who here thinks he will not be subjected for an indefinit extension?
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2092 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:06:33 PM
@HumanAction
"Therefore, in the overall scheme of things, I see no benefit to holding him instead of killing him. Perhaps I am missing something?"
Silence of the Lambs.
They can study him whilst he's imprisoned to learn more about the psychology behind what he did, and why, which might help in future cases.
That's just one idea off the top of my head.
Anyway, does there need to be a pragmatic reason beyond their country feeling that it is morally unacceptable to kill him? |
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kummi90
Male, 18-29, Europe
543 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:26:07 PM
LordJim You win 1000's points!
You nailed it.
A civilized country has principles. We value humanity. Killing Breivik will not change his actions, and will make all taxpayers accomplices to murder. |
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 RuralNinja
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
521 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:10:57 PM
Since his actual sentence is 21 years, that means he only got 3.27 months per person killed. Which actually makes mass murder a misdemeanor in Norway.
(And yes, I'm aware he will be in prison forever. I'm just pointing out the hilariousness of capping every sentence at 21 years, no matter the severity.) |
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 bex753
Male, 40-49, Western US
134 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:52:56 PM
Breivik will never get out so this is a none story. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2410 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:43:54 AM
Strewth, the ignorance is strong tonight. Yes, Norway does have a prison system that seems strange to US eyes, but the 'luxury' prisons you are talking about are part of phased rehabilitation. Not something this bastard will be experiencing. High security is high security. For life.
Well done Norway for showing that their principles are stronger than anger, hate or fear.
As for the death penalty, that was never even a question in Norway. You don't change a principle in law to meet a particular case. When a country becomes civilised enough to drop the death penalty they dont add a clause which says 'Unless it's really emotive' or 'Unless we are really, really sure.' |
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 Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3317 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:11:16 AM
It seems to me that the Norwegians handled this case pretty well, if it's true that 21 years is the maximum sentence available in Norwegian law and the court has added an "indefinite detention" clause that will keep Breivik incarcerated for life.
I'll be keenly disappointed with the Norwegians if they ever let this man out due to a terminal illness or any other reason.
Breivik is one of the most warped, evil, and sick human beings I have ever seen and should never be allowed to walk free again. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1139 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:00:22 AM
I have a hard time understanding the "disgust" many Europeans feel for the death penalty.
In this specific situation, many of you accept that he will be held indefinitely - regardless of repentance. Therefore, in the overall scheme of things, I see no benefit to holding him instead of killing him. Perhaps I am missing something?
I see only the negative of paying for his existence. His living costs the value of one human. Therefore, it stands to reason that by killing him, that money could be used to provide for someone more deserving: an orphaned child for instance.
I guess what I am trying to say is that rope is cheap and reusable. Paying for a human to exist meaninglessly is expensive and doesn't accomplish anything for society. |
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 DinVen
Male, 30-39, Europe
163 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:38:10 AM
They will keep prolonging his sentence by 5 years, as the Norwegian law allows for, for the rest of his unnatural life...
He will never be a free man, don't worry. |
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 piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3160 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:50:37 AM
You know what this monster say at proces?
He apologize cause he was unable to kill more people.
Despite the sentence, that as allready stated here is 21 but with an indefinite extra period, this freak will never have a place in society anymore. |
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 Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
966 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:21:25 AM
Fancylad: I suggest you actually read the articles that you post... this is just too retarded :-p
For those who are interested: the foundation for the life sentence was that he had an incurable personality disorder, combined with a spoken willingness to kill people, as judge Lyng described: the court found that Breivik will not be safe for society even after 21 years, and by that they sentenced him to "indefinite confinement" in addition to 21 years.
He will be in a small cell in Ila, Norway's highest secured prison, no parole and the only socializing will be with the guards locking and unlocking the door behind him.
Crackrjak; not only is your assumption based on imaginative tabloid stupidity, but telling others to be shameful, coming from a country where rich people can PAY to serve in a better "prison" and where innocent people a killed by the state on a regular basis? You head up high...? |
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 MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:29:53 AM
..and I see that everyone else is assuming a lot.. that Brevik is going to Halden Fengsel.
Lets hope they've built a new prison for him..
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 spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
889 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:29:29 AM
CrakrJak, despite the 21 year sentence he can be kept in prison indefinitely if he still poses a risk to society. I don't think he will be a free man ever again. |
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MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:23:43 AM
"how to make them suffer in a humane way"
What the fck does that actually mean?
I think the death penalty is entirely appropriate in this case. There is no doubt of his guilt and it would save the Norwegian Country a shed load of money keeping him incarcerated. Why bother trying to return him to society? Waste of money and an unacceptable risk on his return. Its the only way to deal with him that makes any sense. IMHO. |
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 sssshutup
Female, 18-29, Europe
1 Posts
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Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:29:53 AM
You guys don't get it. 21 years is the maximum sentence for prison in Norway. Were we supposed to change the laws? No. It's not like Behring Breivik will ever walk free as any other man ever again. And to those of you who think death is the right punishment for what he did, you're wrong. Taking the lives of criminals is just an easy solution because you have no f****** idea how to deal with them or how to make them learn or how to make them suffer in a humane way. Killing criminalls, especially killers, just shows the outside world how easily you can get away with crime or murder. A murderer sentenced to death doesn't have to deal with what he's done, he doesn't have the time to let it grow into him or bother him. AMERICANS.... You guys just don't get it. Stop making easy short-cut decisions. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1059 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 11:55:21 PM
Norway can have this weird prison system because they don't have actual criminals. They have an island prison somewhere that is basically a summer camp.
If we sent some of our Mexican drug cartel prisoners to a Norwegian style prison with only female prison guards, I don't think I would work as harmoniously.
But maybe I'm wrong and Norway has it allllll figured out. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 11:52:51 PM
When I heard about the injustice of his light sentence, it just about made me vomit.
This is your 'justice' for the death of 77 people Norway? All you Norwegians should hang your heads in shame. |
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 emmettyville
Female, 30-39, Australia
2723 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 11:34:28 PM
where do I sign up? where where where? |
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emmettyville
Female, 30-39, Australia
2723 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 11:29:47 PM
I wouldn't mind doing 10 - 20 in a norwegian jail, those places are palaces. |
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 An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
726 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 10:48:24 PM
Or Iran, they'd know what to do with him too |
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rockinclimb
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
73 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 10:31:27 PM
Look at the jack wipe smirk. This drating guy needs painful death. |
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An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
726 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 10:20:57 PM
Forget Assange, extradite him to the US to stand trial. It may take a while but they have the correct sentence. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25603 Posts
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Friday, August 24, 2012 9:12:14 PM
Quick.
In America it would take 3 years just to determine sanity.
The trail, then all the appeals would take much, much longer. |
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