 Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 285 Posts
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Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:20:18 PM
All of those that think Obama did a good job, please follow him as he leaves the White House. |
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 banjolegs
Male, 30-39, Europe
146 Posts
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Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:42:34 PM
Economics, gotta love it. Did it at A level, loved the arguements you could have where completely two contrary opinions were both right! |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:25:52 AM
I'd just carpet bomb them back to the 7th century.
In case that isn't hyperbole:
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8749 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:42:07 PM
"1. Public spending is exactly what got us out of the great depression."
BS. What got us out of the depression was the end of WWII.
"2. Ryan's plan raises your and my taxes and lowers them on the very rich."
BS. Their plan lowers rates for everyone. And no one is hiring, because they're afraid of ObamaCare.
"3. Ryan's plan guts medicare."
BS. Obama ALREADY gutted Medicare for $716 bil. It's bankrupt in 10 years. Ryan saves it.
"4. We already spend a stupid amount on defense. It all goes to Haliburton."
So, you'd rather see it all go to Solyndra? Haliburton sold KBR, their military contract div., because it wasn't profitable. Your leftist propaganda is a lie.
But I would cut defense. Instead of using precision weapons and boots on the ground in these 3rd-world barbarian $#!+holes we're in now, I'd just carpet bomb them back to the 7th century.
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 obhwfgirl
Female, 18-29, Western US
553 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:39:22 PM
While I agree with this guy's opinions, this is a horrible video. This guy (a professor, a political analyst, a dude in his basement?) is spouting off vague, general conclusions without providing any reasonable evidence to support his views. Absolutely useless. |
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gymcoach29
Male, 30-39, Western US
183 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:03:54 PM
Another Obama Zombie who drank the kool aid! |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:20:14 PM
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 HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:11:11 PM
@patchgrabber: Furthermore, you continue to share the use of the words Austrian and Keynesian, yet fail to offer what you would consider a reasonable or fair definition.
Since you are so displeased by my attempts to convery a simple, fundamental comparison of the most important difference between the two, would you care to share your own definition? Perhaps one that would not cause Keyes or Hayak to roll over? |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:08:09 PM
@patchgrabber: Would you honestly care to have a lecture right now about Austrian economics? I'm about halfway through Mises' Human Action (900+ pages) so we may be at it for awhile. I am sorry to disappoint you, but during an internet argument, it is expected that you bring some previous knowledge on the subject.
You call me the aggressor, but you are the one claiming that Austrian economics is better than Keynesian economics, therefore burden of proof lies with you.
You are counter-arguing; therefore, we share the burden of proof for our respective points. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:05:15 PM
@madest: ... and another! What do I owe this wondrous occasion. The subtlety, the wit, superbly constructed. Brilliant!
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5283 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:03:40 PM
@HA: No, the a priori nature of your arguments doesn't come from a singular reference to the past, rather, it comes from your whole libertarian philosophy. I'm sorry but calling Austrian economics "supply/production" and Keynesian economics "demand/spending" would be criticized by both Hayek and Keynes together. That comparison is the type of Twitter, not the 1000 character limit on I-A-B. You call me the aggressor, but you are the one claiming that Austrian economics is better than Keynesian economics, therefore burden of proof lies with you. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6407 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:02:02 PM
Whatever HugoAction. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:56:24 PM
Oh yeah the lover of Hugo Chavez is someone worthy of quoting
He's a libertarian; he doesn't like Chavez, he likes Pinochet.
Allow me to sever from the typical Nazi suggestions (no Godwin here) and suggest that you both must be fans of Stalin?
Such petty, poorly conceived comparisons. Quite fun actually. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:52:06 PM
@madest: You're invaluable insight and contributions to discussions continue to impress it. Despite your inability to grasp even the most fundamental of economic concepts, I must commend you on the fervor and confidence which you unerringly display.
Kudos to you sir! I wish you only the best on your delusion fueled endeavors.
Bravo! |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:49:40 PM
@patchgrabber: This oversimplistic comparison is as ridiculous as your comparison of scientific method to weathermen.
I encourage you to then create a comparison within our 1,000 character limit less "ridiculous." As is typically the case, you attack and attack yet offer no reasonable solutions or comparisons of your own. You test no theories and therefore do not expose yourself to ridicule. It's lovely for the aggressor, yet suggests a lack of one's own in-depth considerations on the subject matter.
Furthermore, to consider the entire argument "a priori" due to a singular reference to the past continues to show your unending need to feel intelligent and masterful via suggesting ill-thought logical fallacies.
Pray tell me, for once, what do you recommend then? Allow me the opportunity to attack your suggestions. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5283 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:44:28 PM
@Madest: He's a libertarian; he doesn't like Chavez, he likes Pinochet. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5283 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:40:50 PM
Either you believe in supply/production (Austrian) or demand/spending (Keynesian) economics.
This oversimplistic comparison is as ridiculous as your comparison of scientific method to weathermen.
I agree that it would be a radical change; why is that a bad thing?
...Because a radical change based on a priori reasoning and an unproven model is stupid and reckless. |
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6407 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:35:59 PM
Oh yeah the lover of Hugo Chavez is someone worthy of quoting. You're in good company. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:11:47 PM
@madest: The mindset of a republican is to wallow in ignorance or even stupidity.
Says the pot to the kettle.
You, my friend, continue to be a shining beacon of liberal intelligence at it's finest. I continue to look forward to your outbursts as an affirmation of my foregone conclusions regarding the liberal agenda.
To quote Mr. Stone, "I hate conservatives but I really ******* hate liberals." |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:06:52 PM
@patchgrabber: No, I read it - but you still seem adamant in arguing as a proponent of Keynesian economics. Perhaps you've suggested a different model and I missed it, but I haven't seen one. Either you believe in supply/production (Austrian) or demand/spending (Keynesian) economics.
Also, I agree that it would be a radical change; why is that a bad thing? Seems to me that, given our stagnant economy and rising debt, we would want a radical change. I will take a moment to also state that I never said it was the only solution; I've merely acted as a proponent based on what I perceive to be the reasonable merits of it. |
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6407 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:01:58 PM
The mindset of a republican is to wallow in ignorance or even stupidity. Why let an economics professor lecture us on the economy? We're all smarter than that. There's no proof of evolution so it's just a theory! Climate change? Liberal nonsense. Women can shut down possible pregnancies from rape.
If republicans had any history of budget balancing or knowledge about the economy (or anything else for that matter) we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now because they had control of the executive and legislative branch for 6 years and with that power they drove the worlds economy into the ditch. So I'll believe in my man Robert here over oh any one of you conservative know-nothing commenters and your retarded leaders. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5283 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:59:08 PM
The difference is that instead of tweaking a model, you suggest radical change as the only solution. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5283 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:54:25 PM
@HA: Actually, you must not have read my post where I agreed with you on the long-term implications of Keynesian policies. |
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 SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2743 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:54:22 PM
If you want to actually *reduce* the deficit, tack on another 5%. Easy. |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1152 Posts
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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:54:13 PM
@patchgrabber: I'm using the time frame YOU suggested
No, you are using a fraction of the time frame I suggested. I would expect you to know that "thousands of years" does not automatically suggest a strictly linear sequence absent of gaps. |
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