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Michigan Police Shoot Man Holding Knife 30+ Times

Hits: 6939 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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CC911
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 40 Posts
Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:48:08 AM
I never claimed to be an expert but I am very familiar with policy and procedure as I have been dispatching for 10 years and am married to a 20 year police officer. In those 20 years he has never even fired his duty weapon. Are there bad cops out there? Absolutely! There are bad seeds in every profession you can think of. But the vast majority do the job because they have a desire to make a positive change in their communities. You don't read the stories about about the good things they do. For example, in the county I work in the officers do fundraisers (on their own time) to raise money for needy kids then take a large group of them to local stores to buy what they need and want for Christmas, for themselves and their families. My husband works his ass off to provide for our family and my only hope at the end of the day is that he comes home in one piece. If that means shooting a knife wielding idiot then so be it. He should have dropped it one of the first 20 times he was told to.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Monday, August 20, 2012 5:57:24 AM
Should've dropped that knife after they told him about 20 times. Bet there was a black officer there or they'd be carrying this as a hate crime.....

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:48:55 PM
And did I mention that they fired 46 rounds into one man? 23 would have been horrific, 12 unreasonable, 6 overkill but 46 (and probably 47 when they find them all) I am reminded of a thing the UK police did where they all emptied their guns and one had a blank. That way you didn't know who killed him and nobody had to suffer the remorse.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:30:50 PM
like this?

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:26:21 PM
Also they had night sticks, they could have been deployed too. It seems fair, 5 people with billy clubs, tasers, pepper spray and quite possibly teargas, beanbag rounds and rubber bullets and semi-automatic weapons and an attack dog against a homeless man with a knife (who had called them), Aren't cops taught how to use their non-lethal weapons? They certainly seem to do so when unprovoked.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4853 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:04:18 PM
Cajun247-" if there truly was nothing prohibiting these officers from carrying tasers, then there are grounds for a manslaughter case (at most)."

Not necessarily:
In April, this police department deployed Tasers on a suspect, which had no effect. After physically subduing the man, he became destressed and eventually died, which was blamed on the Tasers.

Obviously, the man's family sued the department.

So, the officers would tend to avoid a device that 1) may not work & 2) may get them sued.

Plus, ultimately, it is the officers' call over which weapon is applicable to a particular situation. Part of this decision would be based on this person's long history of violent behavior to the police.

Hopefully we can see what becomes of this case.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:07:50 PM
Because you only get one shot out of a Taser and they needed 46 to hit him.


Huh, and I thought the boys in blue were better than your typical hollywood stormtrooper. Glad I don't live there then.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:40:27 PM
"Actually, no the police were allowed to carry tasers around this time. So why didn't they bring them?"
Because you only get one shot out of a Taser and they needed 46 to hit him.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:45:53 AM
Then ultimately MeGrendel, if there truly was nothing prohibiting these officers from carrying tasers, then there are grounds for a manslaughter case (at most).

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4853 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:19:02 AM
Cajun247-"the police were allowed to carry tasers around this time. So why didn't they bring them?"

Good question. That would have been preferable.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:37:31 AM
Maybe they didn't have tasers. Maybe the Police Department was forced to give up their tasers due to a liberal group convincing the city council that tasers are 'dangerous' and should be banned (yes, their are such groups).



Actually, no the police were allowed to carry tasers around this time. So why didn't they bring them?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4853 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:29:11 AM
Buiadh-" if this is considered the norm."

I did not say it was 'the norm', I even said it was not handled in the best way.

I just pointed out that this was caused by one (1) individual. An individual who was given multiple chances to comply.

Buiadh-"this guy was no tangible threat.'

~1,900 people in the US each year would dissagree with you. (that's ~ how many are killed by knives.)

Buiadh-"In pretty much every other civilised country in the world this guy would be getting the help that he needs now and no officers would have been harmed either, of that I am 100% sure."

Then you are 25% delusional and 75% ignorant.

Tell that to this guy:


aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:37:12 AM
@CreamK

"Just think about it, these cops shot half of the annual bullets fired in Germany.. Out of those 80 bullets per year shot it was somewhere in the range of 5 bullets shot towards target, the rest were warning shots.."

In Germany, civilian deaths by guns (a year) are around 950.
In the US, civilian deaths by guns (a year) are around 31,000.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1222 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:26:49 AM
Just think about it, these cops shot half of the annual bullets fired in Germany.. Out of those 80 bullets per year shot it was somewhere in the range of 5 bullets shot towards target, the rest were warning shots..

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1222 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:24:49 AM
Yup, you don't see these kinds of encounters ending in such way in any other western countries. Only US executes people in the streets. Either cops in Europe are better or US cops get this attitude of "shoot first, ask questions later" from the superiors, it's the standard practice. That's how it looks to us on the outside, get an excuse for straight up execution of handicapped to save government funds.

Buiadh
Male, 30-39, Europe
 6653 Posts
Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:59:02 AM
@MeGrendel - I honesty beieve that your police force need retrained then if this is considered the norm.

You say they shoot to kill, not to wound, this guy was no tangible threat. Would they have shot a 5 year old that was holding a knife and was confused by the shouting and screaming by the Nazi-like officers? Awful state of affairs.

As I said. In pretty much every other civilised country in the world this guy would be getting the help that he needs now and no officers would have been harmed either, of that I am 100% sure. Stances like yours is why parts of the US are considered cultural backwaters.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:42:43 PM
He was close enough to present a mortal danger with a knife. I, and I'm no marksman with a pistol, would have been able to stop him in less than 46 attempts at such close range. Particularly if I had an attack dog and 5 other people on my side to occupy or distract him.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4853 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:41:35 PM
gJBMXW3wgU-"MeGrendel, You are a Psycho"

You want to hamstring the cops until AFTER a criminal kills someone, and you call ME 'Psycho'?

You want to b!tch that 'he didn't kill anyone', but had he killed a child you would have been the first to scream 'Why didn't the police stop him?'.

Methinks that no matter what the police did you would have screamed 'Damn Pigs!'.

gJBMXW3wgU-"People like you should not be able to buy a gun."

People like you should not be allowed to breed.

@tiago99f

Inability to offer a rational argument duly noted.

tiago99f
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:27:11 PM
MeGrendel is the kind of Ass***** who voted for Bush and Sarah Palin. You're an idiot.

gJBMXW3wgU
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 10 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:17:17 PM
MeGrendel, You are a Psycho. People like you should not be able to buy a gun.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4853 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:52:12 PM
gJBMXW3wgU-"Yes, but he did not kill anybody."

And the reason he was not able to kill anyone was probably due to the police ending his madness.

And you continue to insist that the police should wait until he DOES kill someone before they act? That's asanine.

gJBMXW3wgU-"He could easily been Tased."

Maybe they didn't have tasers. Maybe the Police Department was forced to give up their tasers due to a liberal group convincing the city council that tasers are 'dangerous' and should be banned (yes, their are such groups).

An-egg-"one well placed bullet would have stopped him"

And a badly-placed bullet would leave him the ability to strike. If we hired only pistol-sharpshooters to the police force you'd have to fired 99%.

A regular policeman 'shooting through the 'X' ring' from 70 feet only happens in movies. Movies in no way resemble real life.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 872 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:06:49 PM
Clearly they don't get shooting lessons either, one well placed bullet would have stopped him, and they took 46.

gJBMXW3wgU
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 10 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:35:25 PM
Yes, but he did not kill anybody. He could easily been Tased. Yes, I hope my grandchildren are smarter than me, but that has nothing to do with this case. Plus, my grandchildren are good runners.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4853 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:23:09 PM
gJBMXW3wgU-"He did not kill anybody. If the guy killed my granddaughter...."

So you're okay with your granddaughter being killed as long as this maniac was given the benefit of the doubt and treated with kids gloves first?

So, basically, you think the officers should not be able to take action until someone is killed, even if the person is related to you?

Because, of course, the maniac could have been advancing on your granddaughter with a knife to cut the tag off of her new bonnet....

So, the sad part of this conversation is the fact that you procreated. I hope to God that they are smarter than you.

gJBMXW3wgU
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 10 Posts
Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:16:23 PM
He did not kill anybody. If the guy killed my granddaughter, then the appropriate punishment will follow. If he killed my granddaughter, I might kill him myself, but he did not kill anybody. He could easily been subdued with a Taser. Just because it is easy for police officers to shoot a person, than to wrestle him, does not mean the police officers should shoot anybody who is being difficult. This shows how insensitive the police force has become toward a person’s life.

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