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The Theory of Revolution

Hits: 7841 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Funny | Added by: cobrakiller
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TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:34:03 PM
Angilion: I only know one thing of the future: love is the way of the future.

Through love we will work together. Because of love, science and religion will work hand in hand together.

I know how hard it can be to understand that, especially with a quick glance at how religion is viewed today; but science is not immune to these negative things either, and is already showing it's cracks by the people who uphold it. It's only a matter of time before it's a chasm.

The problem is that many people choose or are coaxed to choose the damaging traits like selfishness, rudeness, apathy, and greed. When we should be strong and choose the growing traits like harmony, love, caring, sharing, praise, excellence and honourable ways.

But religion and science will never disappear, we will always be interested in God's works, and always trust in God. Right now though sci/rel is like two partners who have yet to learn to dance at the ball.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:16:45 PM
Angilion: Prejudice is like what you just used "Not that rationality matters to a theis"; it's a biased statement. It does no credit to your post.

The comic is based on prejudice; making it as if this is a very common thing, when it's actually a very rare thing. It's so rare, that this cartoon appears as if it's made by a supporter of science to mock religion, portraying this happens the majority of the time. When it doesn't

While i understand your point that people who use religion to try and work against science, don't forget that there are people who use science to work against religion. Both claim the truth, but both act blind and lame.

God gave us the tools of science and religion, and while not perfected now, they will work hand in hand in due time. But to say one is better or the other not needed is foolish; because science helps religion and vice versa. So science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:53:23 PM
Besides, prejudice is not the way of the future.


So religion is not the way of the future, according to your own statement.

Yes, religion is prejudice. It's a baseless belief without evidence, knowledge or thought, negative towards some people (usually very many people), held as a result of indoctrination. Religion is a perfect example of prejudice.

I'd like prejudice to not be the way of the future, but sadly I think that religion and other forms of prejudice will be with us for a long time yet.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:47:06 PM
Lame and based on prejudice.


"prejudice" does not mean "a truth inconvenient to me".

It is true that a non-trivial number of people in the USA are trying to destroy science by corrupting it for purely religious reasons. It is true that people who teach introductory biology will have to face some of those people. It is true that people who teach introductory history will not.

The comparison between evolution and revolution is sound in this context. The arguments used against the "theory of revolution" in this comic are exactly those used by some theists against the theory of evolution (and against evolution, because those people are far too ignorant to know the difference).

Besides, science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind.


Rubbish. You can't rationally use a statement of faith to support a statement of faith. Not that rationality matters to a theis

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:33:29 PM
photomstr: it may be that you, photomstr has no need for it, but mankind does. After all science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. Besides, prejudice is not the way of the future.

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:01:07 AM
We, as a species, have no need for ancient superstitious religions. Science is Man's will based on evidence. No faith required. Get over your fear of death, recognize just how short life is and go out there and live it!

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:09:35 AM
apedrana: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. God gave us both of these tools for His glory. God is real, and you'll know this too when you see Him for yourself. But you don't need to take my word for it, because people have testified of if since the beginning, so many others could seek and find God.

apedrana
Male, 18-29, Australia
 141 Posts
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:37:31 PM
No, No, No, TheGuySmiley Sci/religion cannot work hand in hand. One relies on evidence, while the other relies on faith. How did God draw you closer to him? Was it physical? How did he show you that he is the author of love? Did he sign a book for you? If God exists, why doesn't he exist?

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:57:30 AM
cobrakiller: I have no issues with you or yours either. But if someone doesn't really know God it doesn't really do them any credit to speak of God in a way that can be perceived as mocking. A lot of people know God is more reliable than a card reader, but by relating God to be no better than a card reader, can cause the statement to be perceived negatively. It's like someone saying the earth is flat. Those who know it's a sphere may question their understanding, or dismiss their credibility all together. Almost in the same vein as the cartoon above.

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:42:47 AM
THeGuySmiley, I have no issue with you or your beliefs. It is not in my intention to attack you or your beliefs, but religion in a whole to me is kind of childish. I understand why some people need it, but if there are any answers out there that cannot be answered by science I am equally likely to get them from "God" as I am from the neighborhood Tarot reader.

Mechi
Male, 18-29, Asia
 134 Posts
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:02:08 AM
I understood this completely, I need to go make waffles.

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2576 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:09:00 PM
GuySmiley cool that you choose to love, doesn't matter in the slightest how you came about that mindset. It only matters that your 'closeness to God' doesn't one day influence you to do evil under the pretense that it's some supreme being's will and that you're not at all responsible for your own actions. Also... if you dig into your skin and find gems you should see a dermatologist and an honest one that wont steal your jewels

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:01:21 PM
HolyGod: here is the Prejudice you used: "You love your fellow man and treat them well because a book tells you to."

Don't waste time forming a response, I understand where you're coming from, i've been in your shoes. I used to think faith was ridiculous. I once thought "I really think science makes sense, and i don't really know God, but i know that it is the most important thing to be excellent and good to people, because the world needs more love"

So i focused on learning more of love. But unknown to me, God wanted to teach me about Love, so as i learned about how to love one another as best as i could, God drew me closer and closer to Him, to show me that He is the author of Love. It was a shocking discovery, a spiritual awakening to say the least. But since then I've understood the importance of religions that urges and teaches others to love. When you see both sides of the coin you'll see how sci/religion work hand in hand.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:44:39 PM
cobrakiller: If you've decided that love is nothing more than what you say, then that's your choice. As for me, through years of study exclusively on love (because it's the cure this world needs) I'm convinced there is far more to love. In fact, there is truth to the saying that the Kingdom of God is within us, because if we dig deep down into it, it's like a treasure chest with so many very rare gems that this world has yet to see. I've dug into it myself and seen them, as have many others throughout all history. Just one of the small gems there can forever change someone's life for the better, but there's even bigger bigger treasures there, that need more people to bring up. If we can dig these out, so many ailments in this entire world will be cured. I understand this reads quite metaphorical, but it's the best way I can explain it to you. Maybe consider this..

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26157 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:06:27 PM
So glad I didn't look at this one... or comment!

D'OH!

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:02:02 PM
TheSmileyGuy, Religion is the absence of science. It is used to fill in the holes of things we do not understand. The more we learn through science the less need for religion we have.

As for love; it is nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain that plays through one of two types. The first is sexual love, which is your brain telling you that you want to mate with this person. The second is social love, which is a strong feeling to keep those close that could help you and your offspring survive longer. This could be felt for all of mankind, because in a way to a certain degree we are all related and what is best for the species to survive is for it not to kill itself.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5056 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:42:20 PM
TheGuySmiley

How do you just gloss over the quotes I gave you? Eistein said point blank that the bible is pretty childish. So you might not want to trot him out anymore for your argument.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5056 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:39:29 PM
TheGuySmiley

I have no prejudice whatsoever. Prejudice is defined as an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. I have an unfavorable opinion on religion formed through years of studying and with knowledge, thought, and reason.

"your posts demonstrate prejudice and ridicule which have no place in love"

I can love you as a person and still think you're an idiot.

I love my fellow man and treat them well because I believe deeply all by myself that it is the way to live my life. You love your fellow man and treat them well because a book tells you to. Who has the moral high ground?


TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:21:15 PM
HolyGod, The quote "science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind." is credited to Einstein. I agree with this statement because I came up with a very similar idea of it, long before I came across it, through study in both science and religion.

The one thing that God teaches us is Love. True religion works to bring this out in others, but if it's not true, granted it's not perfect, the same is true with science. Plus, using science to explain love is like using a phillips screwdriver on a slot screw, faith is a better tool there.

To love everyone, even complete strangers, can require a very high calibre of love. This can be gained through studying God's word, with faith and hope. I have no doubt you have love, everyone has, but your posts demonstrate prejudice and ridicule which have no place in love. Again, I have no doubt you have love, but through God, faith, and/or religion, you could cut the chaff and give even more.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5056 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:44:24 PM
TheGuySmiley

"Are you smarter than Einstein?"

Hahahaha. You may want to research a bit before you pull Einstein into your argument. Eistein being religious is a complete myth. He was a self described agnostic. Here are direct Einstein quotes:

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously"

"I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem"

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish"

Hahahaha. Good one. Are YOU smarter than Eistein?

How can someone be so wrong, so often? You actually just tried to use someone to support your position that COMPLETELY disagrees with your po

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5056 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:39:52 PM
TheGuySmiley

"nothing short of blind lameness"

You can say it 14 times. That doesn't make it so. I asked for a way that science needs religion and your response was that without religion's moral compass scientists would destroy the world. But that is basically the dumbest argument for religion I've ever heard.

" both bring key elements to the table, that help mankind"

Again, allow me to say it, WHAT? What does religion bring to the table. I have no religion in my life whatsoever, what is missing?

"It helped build the first hospitals"

No. No it didn't. There are good people and bad people. Good people do good things. Sometimes those people are involved in religion, but religion doesn't MAKE them good anymore that being brunette, or an electrician makes a person good. A good guy that is dark haired, Christian, and fixes wiring is not good BECAUSE of any of those factors.


TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:01:32 PM
HolyGod, i understand from previous correspondence with you that you take a liking to arguing against religion, or against God, or against faith in God. So, let me rephrase, arguing that science or religion are best off without the other, is nothing short of blind lameness. Both play a unique roles, and both bring key elements to the table, that help mankind. With that being said, both can also be harnessed to bring negative elements. read on..

3002-3038: you're free to believe what you want, and while you are quick to point out the wrongdoings of religion, don't forget the good it's done. It helped build the first hospitals where cures could be found to help people. You have your opinion of God, but it will never stop faith in God. However, both science and religion will eventually and work together hand in hand. Why? Because science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind. Are you smarter than Einstein?

3002-3038
Female, 18-29, Western US
 623 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:40:54 PM
The guy smiley
....right because it's impossible for people to have a morale compass without religion. You do realize some of history's greatest atrocities were done in the name of religion? religion has nothing to do with deciding what's right and what's wrong, WE as humans decided, as much as you may want to believe, "God" played no part in it.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5056 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:29:00 PM
TheGuySmiley

"Keeping the truly 'mad scientists' from wiping us all out."

There are tons of scientists out there being good and doing right things for the betterment of humankind without needing a sky fairy to guide their morality.

I donate blood, donate time to big brothers, big sisters, and volunteer teaching art classes at a shelter. I do that without having ever believed in God. As hard as it may be for you to believe, lots of us are good people without needing God as a "compass".

"lessons from God on how to love one another"

ARe we reading the same bible about the same God? Jesus was a great guy but God is a sociopathic, jealous, petty, vengeful, and cruel being. Love is unconditional. Sending me to hell if I don't follow his arbitrary rules is not love.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:12:20 PM
HolyGod: It acts as type of compass to ensure we use science for the good and right thing, for the betterment of humankind, or our world, or society for example. To avoid wiping out ourselves with nukes for example. Or to prevent like those nazi science experiments back in the day. Keeping the truly 'mad scientists' from wiping us all out. In that sense one is lame/blind without the other. On the religion side, an example could be the advancement of the printing press, which helped many to come to learn about God, and the deep lessons from God on how to love one another. To argue science and religion are two separate things and that one must be eliminated or replaced with the other, is nothing short of blind lameness, because in the end, both will rely on the otherl

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