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Guy Who Berated Chick-Fil-A Worker Is Canned

Hits: 10546 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: AntEconomist
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Saturday, August 04, 2012 6:39:47 PM
NottaSpy-"How is it you read so much into my words and so little into Dan Cathy's?"

Because Cathy was honestly answering a question put to him, nothing more. While you are trying to crucify the man for his opinion and, because his actual statement does not rise to the level of bigotry, you attempt (badly) to say 'he's using 'code' words.' (and in this case, YOU'RE using the code word 'Bigot' for 'anyone who disagrees with me'.)

NottaSpy-"I am simply saddened and disappointed that people act like Mr. Cathy, Adam Smith, and you."

Yes, I'm sure your are saddened when people point out your hypocrisy and aslo point out when your argument is making you look like an idjit.


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Female, 60-69, Europe
 20 Posts
Saturday, August 04, 2012 6:27:21 PM
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RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 314 Posts
Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:49:08 PM
@nottaSpy
How is it that only your side is allowed to have a set of values?

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:11:42 AM
Oh! Speaking of nonsensical, hi 5Cats!

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:10:13 AM
MeGrendle, How is it you read so much into my words and so little into Dan Cathy's?

I'm not boycotting and I am not outraged. I am simply saddened and disappointed that people act like Mr. Cathy, Adam Smith, and you.

I think LGBT should have the right to marry because it is the right thing. ALL THE CAPITAL LETTERS and nonsensical analogies in your posts have wiped out any nugget of a persuasive argument.

Truth is, Dan Cathy is a bigot and you and I are both trolls.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23937 Posts
Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:41:08 AM
@Notaspy: "Code Phrases" LOLZ!!!
And some here accuse ME of wearing a tinfoil hat!!!

In a time when LGBTs are fighting for their rights

Oooo! I'd better look that "code phrase" up in my trusty:
"SUPER SECRET UBER-RIGHT WING CODE PHRASE BOOKLET"
Ah: It means "I am changing the subject"

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Saturday, August 04, 2012 5:29:47 AM
NottaSpy-"Those are the phrases that Dan Cathy used and they are the code phrases"

One constant about the losing side. Whenever they can't get pissed about the truth they start claiming the other size using 'CODE WORDS'.

OH MY GAWD, HE SAID HE HATES THE BLACK EYED PEAS! THAT'S CODE WORD FOR HE HATES BLACK PEOPLE!

Those are not 'code words'. Those are his opinion, and he has the right to have him.

Don't like it? Don't eat at his establishment. Your boycott and your 'outrage' turned out to be poo.

What next? If a Chick-Fil-A is located on a One-Way-Street are you going to blast him about being against bisexuals?

Do you realize just how stupid you and the LGBT people look in this. By pushing this as they have, they've demonstrated their lunacy and harmed their image and their cause more than any bigot could.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 11:27:40 PM
Oh, and one more point about why those phrases are bullpoo wrapped up to look pretty:

"supportive of the family" and "family unit"
Gays don't have families?

"biblical definition"
Oxymoron if ever I've heard one. There are as many different interpretations of the Bible as there are people who have read it. Dan Cathy chose the interpretation that is used to deny people their rights.

"biblical principles"
I wonder which principles those are. Does he mean the homosexuality in the Bible? Or maybe the murder, rape, genocide, infanticide, yada, yada, yada? If he means the peace and love parts, then why is he choosing a position that denies love?

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 11:18:18 PM
MeGrendel, I guess you did miss it. The thing is, we've seen this before. We know the tactics.

"supportive of the family"
"biblical definition"
"family unit"
"biblical principles"

Those are the phrases that Dan Cathy used and they are the code phrases used when they mean "abomination". Ask someone who lived through Women's Suffrage if they heard similar phrases, or an African Americans who lived through the civil rights movement.

"we love and respect anyone who disagrees"
That quote sounds an awful lot like, "some of my best friends are black"

In a time when LGBTs are fighting for their rights, Dan Cathy publicly declares which side he is on and uses the loaded language of the bigots.

Dan Cathy picked a side in this fight and he armed himself with the weapons used by the other bigots, that makes him a bigot in my book.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 9:52:17 PM
NottaSpy-" defend Dan Cathy's bigotry"

I must have missed the part where Dan Cathy "regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance". That is, after all, the definition of bigot.

Does he refuse to hire homosexuals? No.

Does he refuse to serve homosexuals? No.

All you know is what he said, that he 'supports the traditional family'. Did I miss the part where he said, 'And I will hunt down and kill all those evil homo people.'?

Had he said, "My favorite color is Red" would you be yelling 'HE HATES THE COLOR CYAN'?

Dan Cathy is not the LBGT movement's biggist problem. I think this experience has shown that the LBGT's biggest problem is the idiots they have in charge.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 9:40:13 PM
Gerry1of1-"legally on his personal time"

And the minute he posted the video, he made it public and could be used as a reflection of his employer.

Gerry1of1-"He just won the lawsuit lottery"

Sorry, he has no case.

Gerry1of1-"They had no right to fire him."

His company has every right to fire his ass. A job is not sacrosanct, you can lose it due to stupidity.

Gerry1of1-"They violate his right to free expression & freedom of speach."

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Congress got involved. What? They didn't? Then the 1st Amendment does not apply.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 9:37:01 PM
I think this nasty little liberal prick has never been up to Dan Cathy's level in his entire life.

This is how you choose to defend Dan Cathy's bigotry? I guess we should expect nothing less.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 9:36:37 PM
LillianDulci-"What's the difference?"

The difference is that one was the CEO of a company giving his personal opinion to a question, the reply of which was entirely in line with the stance of the owner and board of the company. While the other was a belligerent asswipe (not the CEO of his company) harrassing and intimidating a young woman and posting the evidence proudly and pounding his chest and saying 'Look what I did'.

While the Chick-fil-a organization was proud of their CEO's statement, do you really expect Vanti to say 'Yes, we support harrassing young women'?

Both enjoyed their 1st Amendment rights. Both faced the consequences.

The difference? One was intelligent, one was an idiot.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 9:35:31 PM
LillianDulci-"Where's all the conservative Christians supporting his freedom of speech"

Please learn the Bill of Rights. The VERY FIRST words of the VERY FIRST AMENDMENT state: "Congress shall make no law.." Says nothing about Chick-fil-a. Seeing as this asswipe was not arrested, his enjoyed his freedom of speech. (the 1st Amendment says nothing about you not being able to lose your job).

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23937 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 9:06:47 PM
@LillianDulci: I'll make it as simple as possible:
The Government takes action against your 1st Amendment rights = Illegal (Upheld by several US courts)
A Citizen (Or a Company) takes action? = Legal.

That's ALL there is to it. No need to drag "religion" OR "gay rights" into it: THAT is only an attempt to "muddy the water" and hide the true issue: Some US City Mayors vowed to use their powers to block CFA from LEGALLY setting up business.

THAT (I keep repeating) is against the law!

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 8:22:57 PM
tstyblucryns, you're acting as if I'm arguing that this guy shouldn't have been fired. I totally understand firing someone who makes your company look bad. It's bad for business. My point is simply that, if all those people went to CFA because of "freedom of speech" rather than being anti-gay, like they continue to claim, then it only makes sense that they'd be defending this guy for his freedom of speech too. But they aren't. I know you understood this point but I wanted to reiterate it because you're adding meaning to my words further than what I actually said and meant.

I'm not even going to bother responding to 5cats who did just that but took it to the extreme, like he always does.

Neagle
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1405 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 7:37:18 PM
I'm betting this guy is one truly hated d-bag. Well enjoy paying off those student loans with the education and carrier you just threw in the toilet.

kirsdela
Male, 30-39, Asia
 7 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 7:08:17 PM

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tstyblucryns
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 5:43:10 PM
correction *the same as if HE pulled a Tracy Morgan*

tstyblucryns
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 5:41:08 PM
cont: He is always representing the company he works for because investors, stock holders, consumers and whoever else potentially know who he works for. People are at least smart enough to know that someone who bullies a drive thru clerk(who in no way is responsible for the controversy) and stupid enough to post it online is probably not level-headed enough to be making big decisions.

I do want to point out that I am strongly for same sex marriage rights. I just think there is a point where common sense comes in to play and that includes not overstepping the reach of the first amendment (or redefining what it really means). That is a very slippery slope.

tstyblucryns
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 5:32:14 PM
LillianDulci, I see your point. If the positions had been reversed then there would be many people screaming "first amendment" who are saying they had a right to fire him in this case. But some people are just hypocrites, what can you do.

I don't think that's the point. This isn't really a freedom of speech issue. I can guarantee you there is a clause in his contract that allows the company to let him go if he represents the company poorly, and even you seem to agree he was acting poorly. It would be the same as if pulled a Tracy Morgan and went on tv (as an individual not for the company) acting crazy and talking about impregnating women. He can say it but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences.

RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 314 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 4:17:27 PM
@LillianDulci

The 1st opinion was directed at an idea. It isn't hateful to love ones own ideals and express them. How others take it is their problem.
The second opinion was directed at an innocent person and had very hateful undertones.
Both corporations in this story have done nothing wrong. Disagreeable, maybe, but not wrong.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23937 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 1:19:15 PM
@LillianDulci: Are you suggesting:
#1 That NO CEO or Company be allowed to donate money to a cause YOU disagree with?
#2 That GOVERNMENT Officials and agencies should LEGALLY discriminate against political positions they dislike?
#3 That groups which have broken NO LAWS suffer punishment (from the government) and sanctions (from the public) for expressing AN OPINION?
#4 That an employee that brings shame and disgrace to his company suffer NO consequences, so long as it's "PC"?

Zeig Heil my lefty Furher! Seriosly, you don't want the Gov't to even discuss religion BUT Gov't enforcing economic punishments FOR religion is A-OK with you?

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 11:27:36 AM
What's the difference?

One was a CEO representing his company publicly and giving a hateful opinion that hurts a large group of people and also using the company's money to further harm that large group of people.

The other was a CFO who wasn't in his uniform and wasn't representing his company, who went out on his own free time and made a video for his own youtube channel where he expressed his opinion (to the wrong person, in a way he definitely shouldn't have) which hurts pretty much no-one using his freedom of speech.

Why does the 1st one warrant support but the 2nd one doesn't? The 2nd is a better example of freedom of speech than the first since he wasn't representing his company and his speech only harmed himself since he got fired.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 11:27:31 AM
monsterzero, my point was, all these people say that the Chick Fil A CEO giving his personal opinion and using the company's money to donate to anti-gay causes is freedom of speech, so they go and support him because it's "freedom of speech". By that logic, whether or not they're fine with this guy getting fired, they should also be supporting his right to freedom of speech, organizing a day to go support him, things like that.

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