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Jeep Grand Cherokee Driving Test

Hits: 10042 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: Travel | Added by: fancylad
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CaptainPabst
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1253 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 12:27:40 PM
meh - Im sure to be fine in my Jeep SPORT Cherokee... right?

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Friday, August 03, 2012 8:36:56 AM
High centre of gravity and wheels on a road can never be a good thing.

Well.. not often anyway.


MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4761 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:08:04 PM
Mr_Ike-"I dare say that truck WOULD be able to do it!"

Actually, I picked a concrete truck for a reason. A concrete truck with a full load has the majority of it's load crawling up on side of the cylinder due to it's rotation. Thus it can hand a turn in one direction great, in the other, crappy.

jamie76-"Below I have listed the acual ground hieght from each vehicle"

Sorry, ground height does not equal center of gravity. You also has to include factors of wheelbase, width and construction.

NOCASH-"You can obviously tell who bought jeep grand cherokee's "

Not really, I prefer the CJ. Can't stand the cherokee.

phil7243-"Isn't having a higher center of gravity a design flaw?"

Nope, just a matter of design, period. Some people prefer things that result in a higher center of gravity.

NOCASH
Male, 18-29, Canada
 424 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 3:08:25 PM
OldOllie is old and has mistaken the vw and volvo for a corvette and a F1 car apparently, get your glasses checked or something. They arnt driving like idiots, the test replicates a very probable scenario which has been mentioned numerous times and was kinda the whole point of the video but its quite obvious thats all gone clear over your head. Come back to debate when your on topic. How much coin did your cheap american jeep run you anyways compared to those expensive european SUV's? If i had a family and was looking for a SUV the grand cherokee would not even be on the list.

On another note, i wouldnt mind risking my own life in an SRT8 grand cherokee for a few hours lol :D

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:00:52 PM
Lol - this from auto-motor-und-sport

When translated

"The new Jeep Grand Cherokee overturned even at higher speeds, fully staffed and burdened..."

Nicely taken out of context, but it made me laugh.

Anyway.. interesting... but no video and no lawsuit.. it still a big fat turd on wheels.

(the VW isn't built in Sweden by the way)

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12583 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 6:45:18 AM
That is why you buy from the former Axis Powers if you value your life.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13534 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:57:46 AM
@Fwoggie2

You like those overpriced boxes on wheels?? I convienently couldn't find a moose test for them. Here's some food for thought the other two SUVs are produced in said test country and the Germans have tested the same with much different results.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:28:34 AM
Quite clearly the cars fault, it rolls too much on entry, skips over in the transition to load up the outer wheels to the point where they fold and the tyre blows. The other two cars didn't roll as much at initial entry and hence a lot less drama despite them fulfilling the same (flawed) design remit.

Defending this woeful performance colours you stupid.

This car has been shown to have unsafe handling at 43mph. If it was purely a utility vehicle limited to 30mph that might be excusable. It isn't.

Of course you can drive one and if your lucky you'll never encounter the flaw. Luck, not judgement.

jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2350 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:29:27 AM
darkmagic14n

ground clerance is typically measured as you said from the lowest point of the vehicle, however, IME most vehicles are measured by where there rockers are in relation to the ground since most manufactures try to keep the undercarriage up slightly above that point to protect the tranny, oil pan, etc.

though having said that, most vehicles will come down slightly lower than the rockers in terms of the exhaust.

I have a 350Z and the rockers denote the ground clearance pretty well except for where my X-pipe is...that is slightly lower due to the way it is set up but not enough to really notice.

jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2350 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:24:28 AM
NOW, I am going to get even more technical...the post size limit makes multiple post necessary.

for an SUV to be stable, its center of gravity must be well within it's wheelbase. if the center of gravity starts to move outside the vehicle's footprint due to angular momentum it will tip over rather easily. Rollover accidents are directly related to a vehicle's stability in turns. That stability is influenced by the relationship between the center of gravity and the track width (distance between the left and right wheels) both the Jeep and the VW have near exactly the same track, with the jeep having a slightly smaller track in both front and rear but remember, it is LOWER to the ground, which does matter.
as it has been seen by my previous post, these two vehicles are near identical.

the main difference I would say is the VW has a better suspension set up that does a better job of keeping the COG inside the vehicle's track.

jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2350 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:13:06 AM
sorry, I mixed up the weights between the Jeep and the VW, it should read other way round. the Jeep is 4,470lbs in the trim level described in the test, the VW is 4,711lbs.

jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2350 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:10:47 AM
photomstr
While I was being very general using the ground clearance to suggest the center of gravity I will get technical sense you seem to be calling me out...and racist.

the VW specs
Wheelbase 113.9 in
Front Track 65.0 in
Rear Track 65.7 in
Length 188.8 in
Width 76.4 in
Height 68.2 in
Ground Clearance 11.3 in
Weight 4470
The Jeep
Length: 189.8 in.
Width: 76.5 in.
Height: 69.3 in.
Wheelbase: 114.8 in.
Ground Clearance: 8.6 in.
Front Track: 63.9 in.
Rear Track: 64.1 in.
weight: 4711
the jeep is nearly 300lbs less, which should help it handle lateral G's more effectively...however it does not.

these two vehicles have nearly the same if not the same center of gravity as you can see. The biggest difference is the VW has 18 inch tires, the Jeep 17...that may help the VW a little but not much. However, since the VW is 3 inches higher, I would say they are even there.

phil7243
Male, 18-29, Australia
 143 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:00:41 AM
"Two vehicles with significantly different stances and lower center's of gravity were able to accomplish a course that a vehicle with a higher center of gravity could not. "

Isn't having a higher center of gravity a design flaw? If there are other vehicles in the class which have lower centres of gravity wouldn't that prove that the Jeep is inferior in this aspect?

Also this test was done by a professional driver who could control the vehicle after the turn, how's your average person going to react to a blown tyre?

jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2350 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:52:10 AM
photomstr

I understand that ground clearance itself is not soley responsible for the vehicle's center of gravity but it has a very large influence on it. These vehicles all have about the same level of ground clearance and the same center of gravity, they also all have about the same weight distribution between front and rear and they all come equipped with at least 17x8 inch tires.

before you assume that I do not know much about cars you should know that I am a car enthusaist and currently own a 350Z which I have modd'd pretty decently with mostly bolt-ons (no FI as of yet) and I have a SUV and it handles very well for a larger vehicle.

the three SUVs in this test were tested against each other because they are all in the same class and are expected to compete against one another in the sales market. Clearly, the two Euro models are far superior in handling.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2342 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:49:41 AM
I'd love to see a landrover or a toyota landcruiser take the moose test. I really don't care about all the excuses from jeep owners that you wouldn't drive your car like that, I call BS, so you don't drive your jeep over 40 miles an hour? you wouldn't instinctively take evasive action if something popped up in front of you?
I'd be calling my dealer and asking for a refund. this car is dangerous.

GolfPunk69
Male, 30-39, Australia
 58 Posts
Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:28:06 AM
In 99% of these cases, there will be no difference in the outcome


99% of your statistics are made up.

43mph is barely fast enough to get done for speeding on a city street in Sydney (most streets are 60kph limit) so children running out on the road is a very real problem.

And the comparison wasn't between a corvette and a Jeep. It was between a Jeep and a couple of other Chelsea tractors in it's class. It's helpful to everyone in the discussion if you try to stay on topic.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14797 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:28:36 PM
How about the tyre not exploding???

Uhhh, Jeep doesn't make the tires (or the tyres, either).

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14797 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:27:00 PM
NOCASH, you can flip a Formula 1 car if you drive it like an idiot. I could get a Volvo XC-90 or a VW Toureg up on 2 wheels if I was trying to do it on purpose. I've have had a few close calls, and I've come through them all unscathed. The secret is know what your can can and cannot do, and not totally spaz out like a fapping retard.

I know my Jeep is not a Corvette, but it can go a lot of places that a Corvette can't, like to work or to the store in a foot of snow, or to some really nice fishing spots, or to the dump with a load of tree trimmings, and I can do it for a fraction of the price of that overpriced European crap.

Fwoggie2
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1754 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:09:49 PM
I just saw it take enough lateral force to rip the front tire to shreds without tipping over. What the hell more do you want?

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How about the tyre not exploding???

Fwoggie2
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1754 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:09:18 PM
Fark that. Gimme a landrover any day. Indian engineering at its finest.

(No, seriously, gimme a landrover). If you're gonna buy a SUV, buy a proper SUV, not a pretend one that you're never gonna drive off road, ever.

NOCASH
Male, 18-29, Canada
 424 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:44:06 PM
OldOllie, then the vw or volvo would be a great vehicle for you as they actually have the ability to swerve without highsiding like the jeep and they all weigh relatively the same weight and for your means will accomplish whatever task you need it to unless your some macho bad ass who just needs to have the jeep because it can pull .9g on the skid pad or w/e, care to provide the braking distance of the other two vehicles? The test was done at just below 50mph imagine cruising at actual highway speeds at night and that moose or deer just comes out of nowhere and your natural instinct is gunna be to jerk the wheel, good luck keeping the jeep rubber side down. If you hit a moose at highway speeds your odds of living are slim to none doesnt matter what your in unless its a semi and even then the truck would more then likely have substantial damage or be written off.

NOCASH
Male, 18-29, Canada
 424 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:24:02 PM
You can obviously tell who bought jeep grand cherokee's here lol.

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:14:17 PM
@jamie76 - I know 'mecan schools are bad but really, dude, center of gravity does NOT equal ground clearance . . . sheesh, 'mercan schools sux

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:09:53 PM
It is not a sports car it is a utility vehicle. Goes anywhere . . . drives like a truck . . . because . . . maybe it IS a truck . . . I'd like to see a F150 do the moose test! yuk yuk or a dodge ram! snicker snicker

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14797 Posts
Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:08:59 PM
I want a car that should I be unlucky enough to have a moose or small child run out in front of me while traveling at a decent speed won't put me or anyone else at very serious risk.

In 99% of these cases, there will be no difference in the outcome -- either both cars will hit the moose, or neither will. However, in those cases when I hit the moose, I would rather be in something substantial that has a better chance of surviving the hit.

BTW, I don't know about children where you live, but around here, they don't jump out onto highways from behind trees at night. Unless they do that, there's no excuse for hitting one no matter what you are driving.

And just for the record, a Jeep Grand Cherokee can pull 0.9 g on a skidpad and has a 60-0 braking distance of 116 feet. In other words, this video is pure bull$#!+.

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