 tommy2X4
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2805 Posts
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Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:05:48 AM
I say we let Elvira have him. |
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 blastaof
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
21 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 9:50:47 PM
At this stage of the game the facts aren't fully developed to know which theory is the best/easiest to pursue and you want the jury to have max options. |
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blastaof
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
21 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 9:48:05 PM
You bring all of the charges so that the jury can convict in one of multiple ways. Also it is possible that both are correct, but he would still only be found guilty of one.
e.g. A law says murder = A + B, or C + D
If the defendant did A,B,C, and D to the same person he is guilty of one murder, but the jury only needs to find A + B or C + D. If the prosecution only accused him of doing A + B and the jury believes C + D, you get a not guilty verdict, thus you throw it all in there. |
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cyborg
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
2799 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 9:06:33 PM
mental illness? more of a Scarecrow then a Bane... |
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 robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
2752 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 8:55:18 PM
@Marksman- YEAH, RIGHT??!! |
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NyQ
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
362 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 6:24:52 PM
It's not strange that they would bring both even if he can't be convicted of both. At this point, the evidence is still shaking out and the ability of the state to amend the indictment later to include more charges is likely limited. They'll drop some charges before trial, if it ever gets that far. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1052 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 4:57:36 PM
If he can't be convicted of both, that's strange that they would bring both. No matter what, half the charges can't possibly be correct.
Yes, they should just choose one or the other, the one that applies best. OR, they can create a new charge to apply to this sort of event. A pre-meditated mass murder is a pre-meditated mass murder. There's no need to make this complicated and turn 12 murders into 24 and so on. It's strange.
US legal system is overly convoluted, this is just one example. |
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NyQ
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
362 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 4:30:10 PM
The reason that there are two charges for each person is the state intends to the offense against each victim under two different theories. Double jeopardy does attach and he cannot be convicted of two murder charges for the same victim. |
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 BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
6532 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 3:59:32 PM
"I really don't understand why he gets two counts of murder for each person."
Becaue Murder with Deliberation (premeditated murder) and Murder with Extreme Indifference are two seperate and unique charges. He's just lucky enough to have commited them both. What did you want them to do? Choose one or the other ? |
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Marksman
Male, 40-49, Canada
147 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 3:10:17 PM
The Joker has GREEN hair.....freak. |
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 Theyoyoguy
Male, 18-29, Western US
442 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 2:50:24 PM
Can't someone just finish the job and spare us this agonizing trial/appeal process?
What? Cold hard justice is the right kind. Dirty Harry would agree with me. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25585 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 2:22:01 PM
The laws in the US haven't made sense in a long time. Whatever your views on OJ Simpson, he had to pay huge damages for the crime he was found "Not Guilty" of. Pot is a class A controlled substance with harsher penalties than cocain and alcohol {worst drug of all} is legal. There is "no double jeapordy" but the Rodney King beating cops, after a not guilty verdit, were tried again by the Feds and found guilty...all over the same beating.
US Legal system has no justice in it. Don't expect it to. |
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Zuriel
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
412 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 1:45:38 PM
....and?
why would we care |
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 Justin9235
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1558 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 12:29:26 PM
He sounds like a smart kid. I bet he started going to therapy and progressively started acting more and more crazy, and then finally dropped out of school just to give himself the appearance of progressive insanity. Or run with me here.. as a neuroscience major, he downloaded his conscience into a super body using the souls of the innocent to harvest the power for his mind transfer. At least, that's the twist ending I'm writing for the movie adaptation. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 12:26:42 PM
I think the counts were doubled because of the violence of the case, from what I heard.
But it's still asinine. All it takes is one murder conviction for life in prison in the US. All other murder charges, while applicable, are redundant. It's not murder, it's DOUBLE MURDER, full on all the way! It just makes no sense. |
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 JaundiceCake
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
680 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 12:22:22 PM
I think the counts were doubled because of the violence of the case, from what I heard.
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9533 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 12:00:04 PM
In Colorado each murder carries two separate murder charges, one for premeditation and one for "showing extreme indifference to life"
That's not what Andrew155 et alia are asking. That information is explicitly stated in the article.
People are asking *why* the law is that people are charged with two murders for every one murder they are charged with. That's not how criminal law usually works. If I went to Colorado and stole a car, would I be charged with stealing 2 cars? If I got a job working for the state in Colorado, would I get paid two wages?
I'm guessing that it's a way of getting a higher conviction rate by convicting people of murder even when the prosecution fails to prove their case. |
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 sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
2860 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 11:58:50 AM
@palmer050- even if he gets the death penalty, he will spend years if not decades on death row while he plods through the appeals process. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25585 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 11:55:22 AM
12 deaths = 24 murders
Someone went to public school |
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 palmer050
Male, 18-29, Europe
24 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 11:21:03 AM
Hope he spends the rest of his pathetic life in prison tormented by the faces of his victims the sick a$$hole, he doesn't deserve to die yet, that's the easy way out for what he has done to those people and their families. |
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 DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
3524 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 11:14:06 AM
LOOK! They've taken his picture from YET ANOTHER angle! Must be yet another James Holmes decoy sent by the gov'mint! |
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 whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2238 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 10:43:00 AM
Here's what was submitted to the court.
The People of the State of Colorado vs. James Eagan Holmes (PDF - 40 pages) |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 10:39:34 AM
In Colorado each murder carries two separate murder charges, one for premeditation and one for "showing extreme indifference to life"
That's asinine. So if I applied the same logic to theft I get a theft charge and a "showing extreme disregard for shops." How does that work? |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25585 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 10:35:38 AM
12 deaths = 24 murders
Did he only shoot pregnant women? |
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whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2238 Posts
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Monday, July 30, 2012 10:31:51 AM
In Colorado each murder carries two separate murder charges, one for premeditation and one for "showing extreme indifference to life" |
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