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Obama Campaign Riding The Romney Gaffes

Hits: 4902 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 8:43:07 AM
@madest: Actually, according to that study - Democratic states rank as follows in welfare usage:

#1 - California
#2 - Maine
#4 - Massachusetts
#5 - Vermont
#6 - DC
#7 - New York
#8 - Minnesota
#9 - Washington
#10 - New Mexico
#11 - Indiana
#12 - Rhode Island
#13 - Michigan
#14 - Pennsylvania
#15 - Oregon

In fact, the only Republican-leaning state on the list is #3 - Tennessee.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 8:40:32 AM
@madest: You should go back and read my previous post again; I agreed with you about Republican states (so no worries - you don't need to look that one up).

However, at first glance, your "facts" appear to be wrong. According to CNBC,

California is the Leading Welfare Recipient... Democratic states - can't live with 'em... well that's about it.

As for the NPR study, "The survey research team included Mollyann Brodie, Ph.D., Liz Hamel, Bianca DiJulio, Sarah Cho, and Theresa Boston
from the Kaiser Family Foundation; and Joe Neel, Vickie Walton, Steve Drummond, Uri Berliner and Anne Gudenkauf from NPR." Two seperate organizations had teams working on this - I consider that peer-reviewed.

Still waiting on your response for the other listed topics.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 8:15:39 AM
I don't need to do any work for you. I'm stating fact. If you don't believe that Mississippi is the leading welfare state look it up. If you don't believe they are solidly republican look up their voting history. I don't work for you and I don't Google my statements for peer reviewed studies that support my views (an NPR poll is not a peer reviwed study btw but I guess that little nugget didn't resonate). I'm a reader. I read newspapers everyday, it's an addiction and it's wrong because trees die to provide me with news. How liberal is that?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 8:05:57 AM
@madest: Before I look anything up, I think you should look up the definition of proof and the definition of evidence. I have consistently submitted my articles as evidence.

You, on the other hand, have declared quite a bit of evidence to be proof... Perhaps you only consider it proof if it is in your favor? You should read into Confirmation Bias while you're looking up the definitions above.

Also, there is a very strong difference between STATES and INDIVIDUALS. Yes, there is evidence that Republican STATES use more entitlement money. However, there is just as much EVIDENCE that Democratic INDIVIDUALS use more entitlement money.

Still waiting on your response for the other listed topics.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 7:58:49 AM
Peer reviewed proof? Come on you provided a poll. Mississippi is one of the leading welfare states in the nation and it's solidly republican. Same could be said for Alabama, Arizona, Tennessee, Florida. When you're looking up the word accident look up peer review.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 7:34:53 AM
@madest: There certainly are many unintelligent and government-coddled people from both groups. I've provided a peer-reviewed study that suggests that a higher percentage of government-entitlement recipients are Democrats. The best thing to do to further your point would be to find some contradictory evidence.

That being said, I hardly look at I-A-B as a significant sample size, let alone a significant sample pool/population.

I'm still waiting for your counter on the following subjects:

1. You are fine with discimination.
2. You have yet to show how you, "pull your weight" more than I. I am responsible for creating jobs, are you?
3. You have yet to counter my argument that special victims (as in Aurora) should receive benefits via private charity and donations rather than government.
4. You have yet to provide an argument as to how Obamacare will not punish the healthy (economics argument).

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 7:20:04 AM
Really? You think CJ is the exception not the rule? I know several in my private life and you've only been a member here since July. You'll see what I mean. There's even right wing conservative cat loving Canadians. Lots of dumb people on the planet sadly.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 7:11:11 AM
@madest: Ah great, so we can introduce exceptions into the argument and act as if they are the norm. Well then, this makes the conversation much more interesting.

I also noticed that you didn't defend your stance that discrimination is OK. Am I to assume that you now understand that your proposition is discrimination, and you are fine with that?

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 7:04:54 AM
Democrats overburden social services? LOL, you haven't had a run in with CrakrJak yet have you? He's on disability. Sucks on the government nipple day in and day out and he's right of Cheney. The poll you provided on that btw doesn't prove democrats overburden the system it proves dumb people partake in polls. You'd know that from George Bush's re-election.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 6:48:31 AM
@madest: You're one of these dumb liberal jerkoffs that doesn't understand the definition of the word "economics." It happens every day and to everyone; even those who don't plan for it.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 6:47:34 AM
@madest: So let's further your logic...

Blacks Overburden the Prison System... So let's tax them!

Democrats Overburden Social Services; so let's tax them as well!

You're Generation "Got Us Into This Mess"... So let's also tax your generation!

See, madest likes to discriminate as long as nobody calls it discrimination. Taxing one group of people because they "burden" the system is discrimination. The SYSTEM is the problem - not the group.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 6:28:22 AM
You haven't shown any inconsistencies in my argument. You're one of these dumb uninsured jerkoffs that don't understand the definition of the word "accident" they happen everyday and to people who don't plan for them. Stop the nonsense. I don't care if you have an accident. I don't care. What I care about is if I have one, money is not a concern.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 5:19:00 AM
@madest: I very much do enjoy arguing with you; anticipating where your next outburst will take us is most entertaining.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 5:08:16 AM
@madest: You're clearly upset that I've shown all of the inconsistencies in your argument. Since you are a typical liberal, I should have expected the argument would be reduced to simple name-calling; to think, you are the one here twice my elder. Allow me to once again rebut your misquotes and misguidings.

"I think everyone has to pull their weight".
I provide jobs to my community. Do you?

"You can't be Mr. Rule of law and say I'm not going to ever need insurance because I won't get sick"
I never said that (you sure do like putting words in peoples mouths). Certainly insurance is a good thing - at some point, I will assess it more reasonable to buy it. At 23, and in good health, it is a risk I am willing to take.

"Tell that to the Aurora victims"
We've addressed this - multiple times. Remember? Private charity... I know - this mind slips with age.

"My way won"
My state isn't participating - hah

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Monday, July 30, 2012 3:38:15 AM
In no way do I support discrimination. I think everyone has to pull their weight. You're just a dick. You're one of these douchebags who thinks you got it all figured out. You can't be Mr. Rule of law and say I'm not going to ever need insurance because I won't get sick and I'll have the money to pay for any ailment. Tell that to the Aurora victims. Screw you. The health care law pisses you off and that in and of itself makes me happy. My way won. Your way lost. Haha douchebag. Your free ride ends here.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:44:24 PM
@madest: No... and no.

The government is why we are in this mess, not the uninsured - they are the ones trying to regulate what should be a free market. Hospitals should have the right to turn people away.

"I have no problem taxing those who don't have insurance"

So you support discrimination as long as it is against minority groups that you don't like? I believe this line of thinking led to the Jim Crow laws.

"It's not a tax increase for me"

We shall see - I expect you will see an increase. It's been argued both ways.

"Never needed it by the way and I'm knockin on 50"

Congratulations - quite a bit of money spent without a return of that investment though.

"Look at it this way, now you got 20% extra to spend."

This line of thinking is why we are in this mess.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:58:52 PM
I have no problem taxing those who don't have insurance. It's their fault we're in this mess. It's not a tax increase for me. I have insurance. Always have. Never needed it by the way and I'm knockin on 50. Look at it this way, now you got 20% extra to spend.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:21:33 AM
@madest: ... but your quote talks about society, not government. We are, after all, pack animals so this quote makes sense.

Unfortunately, in the case of Obamacare, the money will need to come from taxes. Simple economics demand that, if we are to treat all people the same, regardless of their state of health, then those who underuse the system will pay more than they get from it.

This system discriminates against healthy, and young people. I do not smoke, eat properly, exercise properly and get a physical (check-up) once a year - which I pay for out of pocket .

With this system in place, those of us who have been responsible with our health up to this point, are penalized. The incentive to independently stay healthy falls, as the cost for all health levels becomes more constant.

If you are in good health, you will pay more than your fair share for this.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:38:51 AM
Let me ask you this - since when did you start trusting the government with our money?
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I'm not a government hater. And thanks to government research, testing and implementation I can tell you that via the internet. Yeah there's waste but waste isn't limited to the government. Every entity is wasteful. Thomas Paine was a wise founding father, he said in -Agrarian Justice Part Three:

Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25708 Posts
Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:39:26 PM
@madest: You've truely run amuk here, and accidentally shown your true colours!

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you deleted half your comments due to shame!

If only you had the capacity to understand how pathetic you really are...

PS: Human Action: keep the faith Bro! @madest does NOT NOT NOT represent IAB ok?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:00:35 PM
@madest: I won't disagree that many CEOs have taken advantage of the system. However, it is tough to criticize capitalism since we haven't had it for a very long time.

I don't support Obama because, as it always the case with government, this will be a fine example of croney capitalism. Unfortunately, Obama has consistently shown his support for corporations and CEOs.

Let me ask you this - since when did you start trusting the government with our money? Was it in lieu of their excellent track record? Of course not - they don't have an excellent track record. In fact, Obama's record is downright abysmal.

Simply put, Americans are being duped. We've been led to believe that these actions are being done as a favor to us, but they aren't. They are a sinister handout to tempt those too blind to see that our freedoms are being attacked.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:48:49 PM
Most Americans Still Oppose Obamacare.
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We don't run this country by polls as I'm sure you'd point out if said otherwise. What's to like? It hasn't even kicked in yet. What I like most about Obamacare is not all the people it's going to help but all the people it's going to F. Yeah F as in F in some dry deserving A. Healthcare CEO's! These nimrods didn't see the writing on the wall in the Reagan / Clinton years. No, they doubled down. They used these giant machinations as piggy banks. Instead of granting claims they hired lawyers looking for reasons to deny claims. When quotas weren't met they fired supervisors, had to make sure CEO and investors got theirs and boy did they. Now it's our turn. Under Obamacare they must spend 80% of premiums on care, what's left goes back to customers not investors. All those CEO's cutting their $50,000,000 salaries makes my nipples hard. I don't care if the majority doesn't like Obamacare, I do and that's all that matters.

robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 2752 Posts
Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:15:05 PM
RON PAUL 2012!!!!!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:55:27 PM
Also, we Libertarians still believe in empathy - we just believe in being empathetic via private donations and charity.

There will certainly be cases like the uninsured man in Aurora. My niece was born with a heart defect that cost us hundreds-of-thousands of dollars in open heart surgery. Insurance would never have covered the surgeries (my sister/the mother is a nurse and is fully insured).

Private business and personal donations from the family and community allowed her to get the treatment she needed.

People will be empathetic towards those deserving our empathy. Government should not force us to be empathetic towards those who do not deserve it. I think you probably agree.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:49:56 PM
@madest: Perhaps the fallacy in your statement is that you assume there exists a flaw in libertarianism?

A different way to look at it is this - legislation is meaningless without social acceptance and morality. For example, anti-marijuana laws are widely ineffective; why? Because society deems it to be acceptable.

Unfortunately, society does not deem Obamacare acceptable nor moral - especially the individual mandate aspect of it. The purpose of the individual mandate it to increase funding in order to balance out treatment for those most in need.

Most Americans Still Oppose Obamacare

Since I am a fan of old-timey quotes:

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.&quo

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