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Mayor Bloomberg Says Cops should Go On Strike

Hits: 5147 | Rating: (2.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Cajun247
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4377 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:26:52 PM
FoolsPrussia-"suspected terrorists are still allowed to buy weapons"

And by 'suspected terrorists' you mean anyone on the no-fly list, which lists such hardened terrorist based on such information as American's Credit Report and contains a serious amount of false positives, you would be allowing Law Abiding Citizens to be deprived of their 2nd amendment rights.

Yeah, we'd stop such terrorists included on the no-fly list such as:
-Kids less than five years olf,
-A United States Marine
-an ACLU attorney
-a retired Lieutenant colonel and surgeion
-United States Senators
-United States Representatives
-Canadian Journalists.
-Princeton Professor
-Actors
-Pop Singers

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:15:54 PM
Here's an example of the problem we have with gun-control. We have to take our shoes and belts off at the airport, but suspected terrorists are still allowed to buy weapons because the NRA and Republicans think it would violate the 2nd amendment.

Link

Where is the sense in that?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:54:35 PM
I think we've missed the point - independent of gun laws, an areas culture is responsible for murder rates.

@FoolsPrussia: Idaho and Wyoming are both "shall issue" states regarding concealed carry. Respectively, their homicide rates are 1.3/100k and 1.4/100k (2010); both are lower than Canada's - 1.62/100k (2010). Again, area-specific culture is the villain here.

That being said, it is the right of the states to determine gun laws, and this serves a very important function. @patchgrabber: The idea is simply checks and balances between states and the federal government. If the fed gets out of control, states can exercise their most fundamental right - secession (Lincoln damaged this considerably). In this case, it is necessary to have an armed population.

Of course one must ask, what door do we open if we allow the increase of gun control? What happens when they discover that vehicular deaths occur at a rate of 2.3x that of guns?


Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:51:43 PM
@EmagehtmaI: We have a Godwin

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4377 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:47:49 PM
madest-"Limiting the weapons you can own to single shot mechanisms that only fire projectiles and hold a limited amount of ammo would not infringe on your 2nd amendment rights."

And for those of us that can turn a 'single-shot mechanism' into a select-fire automatic?

Or for those of us that can manufacture our own magazines?

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that guns are 'magical' and can only be manufactured in government mandated 'magic gun factories'.

Guns are simple. They are very simple mechanisms.

If, by some miracle, you were able to gather up all guns in a single day, by that night the backyard shops would be in full production, and literally thousands would be back in the hands of law abiding citizens.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:46:14 PM
Actually not a half bad idea..

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6457 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:29:22 PM
Limiting the weapons you can own to single shot mechanisms that only fire projectiles and hold a limited amount of ammo would not infringe on your 2nd amendment rights. The problem isn't gun ownership it's crazy people with automatic weapons that do crazy crap like Aurora or Columbine (holy poo maybe it's Colorado afterall).

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:19:56 PM
The British fought WWII with guns made out of freakin PIPES. Out of all the places there would be a gun ban are prisons.
SURPRISE:

Check out ^THIS fully functional shotgun.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24461 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:03:45 PM
Better gun control certainly won't eradicate the James Holmes-type criminals, but it might be able to reduce the severity.

No, @FoolsPrussia, it will NOT prevent anything and it would NOT "reduce the severity" of any such attacks.

Canada's (now reversed) Long Rifle Registry:
Cost: Billions!
Crimes prevented: zero
Crimes solved: zero
Citizens arrested for "paperwork violations": hundreds

Plain and simple FACT vs your wildest dreams.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4377 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:57:02 PM
madest-"We should invite a conversation on the merits vs the reality of gun ownership."

Of course, anti-bun people tend to create their own 'reality'.

A more usefull conversation would be the reality of law-abiding gun ownership vs. the anti-gun lies and bullpoo.

Hey, The Obama Admin's gun give-away has resulted in more deaths than my guns.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9979 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:56:37 PM
"There is no justifiable need for assault weapons, fully automatic weapons or magazines that hold 3 times the ammo."

Agreed, but not in the way you want.

Instead of outlawing them, give incentives to the companies that make them to just stop making them available to the general public.

There is no reason for a civilian to have a 100 round magazine, but there is for the military. Make it military purchase only, and make the illegal sale of them a harsher crime.

EmagehtmaI
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 187 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:55:01 PM
Fewer guns does not necessarily mean less crime. It only means that the mugger can be absolutely certain that the victim is unarmed. The UK has rather strict gun control laws, and they've recently seen a sharp rise in (you guessed it) knife crimes(10% in the last year, the sharpest rise in a decade).

Also, know who was a big proponent of gun control? Hitler.

Finally, it's the second amendment for a reason. The founding fathers were intelligent enough to realize that after freedom of speech/religion/the press, the most important right a person can have is the right to defend himself - ESPECIALLY from a government that gets off a little bit too much on telling it's people what to do.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4377 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:49:33 PM
madest-" the NRA is the opposite side of the coin."

It's not the NRA that the politicians are afraid of, it's the PEOPLE. THEY are the ones who support the Second Amendment, and want the ability to defend themselves.

madest-"justifiable need for assault weapons"

An 'assault' weapon is just a hunting weapons with decorative features. (No, a bayonet mount on a rifle will not increase its rate of fire, but it will turn it into an 'assault' riflle).

madest-"fully automatic weapons or"

A non-issue. Fully automatic weapons are heavily regulated, hellaciously expensive and require mandatory registration. Since 1934, exactly TWO registered automatic weapons have been used in crimes.

madest-"magazines that hold 3 times the ammo"

Yes, let's let the criminals use Hi-capacity mags, but limit the lawful to a portion of that. (That being said, I don't own any hi-capacity mags.)

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16909 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:47:53 PM
More gun control laws = More crime.

That fact has been proven over and over again.

Maybe Mayor Bloomberg's security detail should go on strike until he gets the message and reverses his bonehead ideas.

Shelworth
Male, 50-59, Western US
 321 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:40:14 PM
Would you rather walk around at night in New York or Austin Texas? nuf said.

miraclewik
Female, 18-29, Asia
 319 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:26:19 PM
Patchgrabber,



"Oh, this again. Tell me in what possible circumstance will any of you EVER shoot a member of your own government and get away with it. That argument is so laughable it's sad. "

http://www.cchrint.org /tag/detroit-mom/

**Cliffnotes version**

-Homeschooling Mom of disabled kid needs to put daughter in public school, gets daughter vaccinations.
-Daughter has reaction to vaccinations and is put on an experimental drug for treatment.
-Daughter has bad side effects and Mom takes her off them.
-CPS sends the cops to her home to take her child, and the cops show up and force their way into the home without letting her know they have a warrant. Mom starts shooting. Legally. Cops send helos, drating TANKS, sharpshooters, and swat teams until they finally take the daughter away. Mom gets off with no charges and is suing the city (and will probably

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:13:10 PM
We should invite a conversation on the merits vs the reality of gun ownership.


Unfortunately the former side tends to be charged with emotion every time we have it.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:11:59 PM
Funny thing FoolsPrussia in the years of 2000-2003 Switzerland had lower homicide rates than Canada and they have little to no gun control laws.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6457 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:04:45 PM
Mayor Bloomberg will never do away with guns or the 2nd amendment. If cops went on strike I think NY would be a much nicer place than it is. That being said the NRA is the opposite side of the coin. They have politicians terrified to even broach the subject. There is no justifiable need for assault weapons, fully automatic weapons or magazines that hold 3 times the ammo. We should invite a conversation on the merits vs the reality of gun ownership.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:42:16 PM
@greenbasterd: Read my post just below yours and you'll see I addressed your main point already.

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2332 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:39:43 PM
the high population city's in Canada are just warming up to gang activity. 10 years ago you heard very little about gangs in Canada except for the major ones like HA and the likes.. i could name 5 gangs in Vancouver alone now. the higher our population gets the worst this kind of behavior is..

everybody out in the country owns guns.. but there not going around shooting each other are they? so lets take these farmers guns away because they don't need them right?

btw i think you would be surprised how many Canadians actually legally own guns

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:36:38 PM
Also, I wouldn't really say that Canada has "fairly strict" gun laws. They might be stricter than the USA, but a large population of Canadians own guns. The difference between the USA and Canada is really in the ability to carry concealed weapons. Both countries have a bit of a "gun culture," I would say.

It's a more nuanced issue than both sides would have you believe. Better gun control certainly won't eradicate the James Holmes-type criminals, but it might be able to reduce the severity. I think we should reinstate the assault weapons ban and make background checks standard. That's what I would call "sensible gun control," since we all know the USA will never ban guns.

And for the record, I despise guns. It may be my Consitutional "right," but I think gun ownership only adds to the epidemic of gun-related deaths.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:36:35 PM
@MeGrendel

I think you'd be surprised how Liberalism in America has been radically redefined after the country was founded. Your latter caveman scenario is more accurately an allegory of Socialism.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:28:52 PM
@patchgrabber

A situation like the one you described happened in Athens, TN 66 years ago.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:23:23 PM
'canada has fairly strict gun laws how come all our criminals have guns?'

Gun crime is far worse in the USA when compared with Canada. These stats are slightly old now, but I'm having trouble finding statistics that are more recent. Perhaps someone can find them for me.

LINK

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