 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:20:36 AM
patchgrabber-"Actually, the Greeks invented the concept. Learn you some history."
And Sir Isaac Newton invented the conept of 'Gravity'. Does that mean it didn't exist before an apple fell on his head? Learn some sense.
patchgrabber-"I'm sure the largest standing army in the world will cower from your .45 AJ."
Actually, if the army ever attempted to turn on it's people, it would be like 'what pitifully remains of the largest standing army in the world will cower from 200 million privately-owned firearms and fully armed former members of said army '.
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:53:44 AM
Yet the Swiss HAVEN'T banned assault rifles
No, but they require that after being discharged you return the rifle so they can remove the fully automatic function. If everyone in your country had to do military service I'd feel much more secure about them having guns.
As to your "stats" homicide rates have been going down because of industrialization
ORLY? I suppose you have evidence to back that up? All the stats in that article are from Stats Canada, and they say nothing of "industrialization" because industrialization happened long before the '80s.
most gun distributors in the US do NOT want to sell guns to a mentally unstable person
Can you say the same about people at gun shows? Oh, wait they don't check anything. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:44:04 AM
But maybe the real reason the Swiss have low gun crime and high gun ownership is because they are trained properly, they don't let every dipsh*t in their country have a gun unless they're trained to respect it and the power it brings.
Yet the Swiss HAVEN'T banned assault rifles, and interestingly enough most gun distributors in the US do NOT want to sell guns to a mentally unstable person. As to your "stats" homicide rates have been going down because of industrialization, and currently suicide rates in Canada are on par with the United States, which is NOT an apples and oranges comparison. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6407 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:36:44 AM
Conservatives throughout history have been against progress. From the American revolution to the end of slavery, women's rights, civil rights, gay rights, the end of prohibition even. They hold us back and in return contribute nothing to progress. They hate the government and taxes and they let it be known on the government invented internet. The federal government through our taxes provides so many things we take for granted that they think they can live without them. To state unequivocally that tyrants would (or could) confiscate all guns shows a lack of intelligence that only a non-conservative can see.
Seems members of the NRA are more sensible than the NRA itself. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25672 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:26:16 AM
Is anyone surprised?
This is from the man who bans Big Gulps and Happy Meal toys {not the meal, just the toy}. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:12:50 AM
Funny thing FoolsPrussia in the years of 2000-2003 Switzerland had lower homicide rates than Canada and they have little to no gun control laws.
Apples and oranges buddy. Swiss don't have an army, they have citizen militia...which bears a striking resemblance to the actual wording of your 2nd amendment which originally meant that citizen militias were the ones who were supposed to have guns. It took a SCOTUS ruling to say that individual citizens are extended that privilege.
But maybe the real reason the Swiss have low gun crime and high gun ownership is because they are trained properly, they don't let every dipsh*t in their country have a gun unless they're trained to respect it and the power it brings. They also require permits for public carrying of guns, and those are only given to private citizens that work in areas like security. Your country should adopt a similar policy. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:59:48 AM
"There is no reason for a civilian to have a 100 round magazine, but there is for the military. Make it military purchase only, and make the illegal sale of them a harsher crime."
Agreed.
@5cats: How about you look at some real stats for firearms crime, you'd see that since stricter gun control laws were put in place those numbers have dropped. Fact vs. YOUR wildest dreams. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:54:11 AM
Democracy has been around since Og, Thak & Kreb picked up their clubs and voted to see if they would upstream or downstream to hunt the Woolly Mammoth.
Actually, the Greeks invented the concept. Learn you some history.
hey patchgrabber canada has fairly strict gun laws how come all our criminals have guns?
They don't where I live. But I could just as easily make the argument that something like 80% of our population is near the US border and that's why. Just sayin'.
If we ever rise up and overthrow our government if it gets out of control, which we are constitutionally bound to do, and why we have the right to bear arms in the first place.
I'm sure the largest standing army in the world will cower from your .45 AJ. |
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 keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2319 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:31:06 AM
Right.. lets make it so ONLY police have guns. Wait, are we're talking about police here in the U.S.? Maybe not such a good idea. They can't handle that responsibility responsibly. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2337 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:20:39 AM
thelonious-"Emotions and politics should govern our quality of life."
Who's Emotions? This guy's?
Who's politics? This guy's?
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 robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
2752 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:02:38 AM
God I hope so. I can finally use my shotgun. |
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 auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8696 Posts
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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:15:36 AM
Good point paperduck. |
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 paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
985 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:58:31 PM
mayor telling cops to go on strike? should be grounds for removal from office. |
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 PTPete
Female, 30-39, Western US
1200 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:25:17 PM
Yeah. He's dumb. |
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 sasalem
Male, 18-29, Asia
7 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:50:09 PM
as Billy explained I didnt know that a stay at home mom able to get paid $7613 in a few weeks on the computer. have you read this webpage NuttyRich.com
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 thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3200 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:45:41 PM
"Anyone who still lives in this fascist piss-river deserves exactly what they are getting, especially, but not limited to, the fapping retards who voted for this little sawed-off Nazi prick."
I'm going to have to run that through the senile deciphering filter and respond once it has the code uncoagulated. It seems to be gagging on this so it might be a while. |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8751 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:37:44 PM
Anyone who still lives in this fascist piss-river deserves exactly what they are getting, especially, but not limited to, the fapping retards who voted for this little sawed-off Nazi prick. |
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thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3200 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:57:59 PM
Emotions and politics should govern our quality of life. They are the most trusted byproducts of actually having a life. amirite? |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25672 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:01:20 PM
Makes sense. If we outlaw the guns criminals wont have them anymore.
Here's how you make it happen:
Cross your arms, elbows up as shoulder height.
Now BLINK!
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8696 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:30:40 PM
Other than the fact that they look different and are more accurate (if you know how to use them) of course.
Also, Uzis, Mack 10s. Sorry for useless apostrophes. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8696 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:29:28 PM
"Couldn't we meet half way and make it a lot harder to get an assault riffle?"
What is an assault rifle? (Not gonna bring up the spelling tee hee)
If you mean Uzi's or Mack 10's and the like, you already can't get those. (they are also sub machine guns)
If you mean AR-15s and AK-47s, Why not? They are no different from a 9mm pistol, or a revolver. One pull, one shot. |
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 HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1154 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:21:51 PM
@markust123: Absolutely - but let the states do it; don't let the federal government do it. That's my only point in this whole thing. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:53:56 PM
Couldn't we meet half way and make it a lot harder to get an assault riffle? And make background checks a little more strict or at least something that happens? Why does it always have to be all or nothing with the two sides of this issue? |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1154 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:31:35 PM
@FoolsPrussia: The sense is that they are American citizens. One of the tenets of governing a free people is that a government should never declare groups.
Once a governmental body declares a group, then they declare that they hold the interests of that group seperately from the interests of all of their constituents.
For example, many "Equal Pay" laws enforce the rights of women, or minorities to not be discriminated against. This inadvertently puts men, and majorities at a disadvantage. Therefore, the laws SHOULD state that no citizen shall be discriminated against for <insert_reasons>.
That being said, I feel that the terrorist watch list, when applied to citizens, is Consitutionally unjust. If they have committed a crime, then arrest them; otherwise, we shall not limit their liberties.
I look forward to replies, as I am curious what some opinions are of my suggested tenet for governing a free people. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8696 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:28:50 PM
Prussia:
If you are on the no fly list, you won't be approved for a weapon.
So, a suspected terrorist would go find a black market weapon, which would be there regardless if guns were banned or not. |
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