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Mayor Bloomberg Says Cops should Go On Strike

Hits: 5147 | Rating: (2.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Cajun247
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:23:25 PM
I don't know. I'd vote for a pro gun control candidate so long as his other views were in line with mine. I don't like the fact that crazy people can buy assault weapons. I think most people would agree with that sentiment. What the solution is I don't know.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:14:36 PM
@madest: Out of curiosity, do you propose we do this at the state or federal level? While some people might suggest that the difference is negligible and merely semantic, some of us considerate this the greatest of issues.

Suppose half the people are for stricter gun laws and half are not. Certainly these differences will be represented in an area-specific pattern. No matter which course is taken then, half the people lose (if done federally).

My point is this - if the folks in Texas want guns, let them; if the folks in California don't want them, then let that state ban them.

In this way, there is the opportunity for most people to find an area that shares similar beliefs as they. Those states that have the best system will excel, and others will eventually copy.

I guess what I'm saying is that, although I'm opposed to gun laws, I would be fine if they were implemented by the individual states.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:03:39 PM
he did not have 'fully automatic weapons'.
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No but your right to own industrial fertilizer was infringed and you didn't seem to mind that. Look I'm not saying I know what the answer is but limits on gun ownership much like those applied during the Brady bill years should be re-considered. It would have changed the outcome of the Gabrielle Giffords attack and it may have put a kink in the Aurora attack.

propagandi
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 725 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:38:35 PM
There is no debate. The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4451 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:53:43 PM
madest-"A man with anything less than fully automatic weapons will not do the damage of an Aurora style crime"




p.s. he did not have 'fully automatic weapons'. The fact that you do not know the difference demonstrates your ignorance and invalidates pretty much anything you have to say on the matter.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4451 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:50:05 PM
patchgrabber-"why can't I collect tanks,"

You can..



All you need is millions of dollars and big garage.

patchgrabber-"the person had gotten someone else with a clean record to buy it for him."

Which is, of course, illegal. Put a stop to it, but without trampling on my rights. BTW..'gun-type bomb' =/= 'gun'.

Thanks for the clarification, though.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5703 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:13:23 PM
@McGovern: Perhaps you could take the pin out of that rifle then? Or maybe an exemption for antique guns?

BTW I know you could replace the pin.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:11:04 PM
@madest: "nonsense"

Just because you say it is nonsense does not make it so. Funny thing here is that I used the word - likely - which instantly made it an opinion. Therefore, your rebuttal (see quotes above), as just as nonsensical and subjective as mine.

and...

"A man with anything less than fully automatic weapons will not do the damage of an Aurora style crime"

First, he didn't have a fully-automatic. He had a semi-auto - this alone discredits you. Also, I point you to this: Fertilizer > Full Auto?

Now, while it's fun to pick out people and claim they are "dumb", "mentally disabled", and "retarded", I fear that your over-confidence betrays your ignorance.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5703 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:08:05 PM
we've already established that other types of violence will likely increase if we forcibly reduce gun availability.

Touche.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:03:11 PM
What you can't seem to grasp is Mexican stats would not reflect on America. There. I said it out loud and in plain English and I think I made it pretty darn clear but you're gonna ride that nonsense brain wave anyway huh?
Lets take Mexican food stats and apply that on America and maybe now I'm making sense to that left over thought nerve that's withering in your brain.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:58:49 PM
Says the man who can't tell full auto apart from semi LOL! You wanted stats I told you what to look at.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:54:22 PM
McGovern You ever hear the phrase: You are beyond dumb? They weren't lying. We're not Mexico. I doubt you've done any travelling outside the continental US that involves a plane but you could drive to Mexico. They have pretty amazing stats when it comes to toilets too but I don't know how you would apply it to the USA.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:47:36 PM
"A man with anything less than fully automatic weapons will not do the damage of an Aurora style crime"


People who want to dictate laws for things they know nothing about....... Look up Bolt action, Pump Action, semi auto and full auto.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:44:58 PM
@madest

You wanted stats Mexico has strict gun control it is also way more violent because the Mexican mafia dosen't abide to laws. It disarmed the citizens and gave the mafia control so much so citizens are now even buying illegal firearms to defend themselves. Madest when he's out of arguments he goes for personal attacks.....

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:39:18 PM
You know I hate double posting but I can't ignore our mentally disabled commenter McGovern who seems to think what goes wrong in the 3rd world will go wrong in the first word. Lets think about your dumb question because clearly you didn't. Why would I as an American consider Mexico's gun problem? I don't live in Mexico. I went to Tijuana once when I was 19 to get drunk and see the donkey show. I could care about Mexico but I don't. In the future you might ask me, why are stupid hyperbolic questions posed by retarded people?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10052 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:38:47 PM
"A man with anything less than fully automatic weapons will not do the damage of an Aurora style crime"

That guy didn't have automatic weapons Madest. It wasn't his guns that made his crime so severe.

It was his intent.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:32:30 PM
@patchgrabber

Some rich people do collect and own tanks.

So according to you the M1 Garand is an assualt rifle...

LOL a WW2 collectable banned! This is why anti gun nazis should have no part in gun laws it's like putting a dropout in charge of the board of education!

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:32:30 PM
we've already established that other types of violence will likely increase if we forcibly reduce gun availability.
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nonsense. A man with anything less than fully automatic weapons will not do the damage of an Aurora style crime which is, lets face it, the reason for this discussion. Mayor Bloomberg is a loon but they love him in NYC. His approach has the same problem the NRA has; "My way or the highway". A civilized society can come together with meaningful limits on gun ownership. It doesn't need to be an all or nothing approach. Compromise based on fact is key. Knee jerk sloppiness will only make things worse. Shame on Mayor Bloomberg who I suspect is just covering his own ass for unconstitutionally stopping and frisking anybody he wants.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:27:30 PM
@madest

these facts and statisict you speak of you posted none. Tell me hows Mexico doing with its strict gun control?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:20:39 PM
@patchgrabber: "the number of bombings in the US is paltry compared to any other kind of violence".

Ah but the reverse nit-pick - we've already established that other types of violence will likely increase if we forcibly reduce gun availability.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5703 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:10:06 PM
@MeGrendel: I should apologize for remembering incorrectly, in the doc the guy did do a criminal record check, however the person had gotten someone else with a clean record to buy it for him.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5703 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:09:06 PM
@Cajun: 2nd amendment says guns, so a little boy could fit into this category, ambiguous wording and all. Don't tread on my freedom to own nuclear weapons.

@Humanaction: My tank example was hyperbole, I didn't actually check. And I'll nitpick your bomb example by saying that the number of bombings in the US is paltry compared to any other kind of violence.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:45:38 PM
@patchgrabber: I actually agree with most of that - restricting gun availiability would most likely decrease gun-related crime (though I have my doubts about the net effect on violence overall).

I apologize ahead of time, by I feel compelled to nit-pick a few things:

You Can Totally Collect Tanks

I think nukes are cost and supply-inhibited. I guess I don't know the legality of that one.

"hard to have innocent bystander deaths or mass killings with knives" - Much easier with Fertilizer

In all seriousness though, the argument all becomes moot because of this: a huge percentage of Americans like shooting stuff. On top of that, we are willing to accept the 3.4/100k dea

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10232 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:36:53 PM
In any case I'm sure the 2nd amendment was referring strictly to small arms.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10232 Posts
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:34:24 PM
@patchgrabber

Well lets see small arms vs something that costs MILLION$ a day to maintain. Not to mention the bad scorn and stigma you'll get from your neighbors. Lots of incentives NOT to purchase such items.

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